Another stonking column from Hadley Freeman

More lovely images.

Can you see yourselves?

You're part of an echo chamber, which you're no doubt all aware of. Your response to someone expressing a contrary point of view is to: dogpile, misrepresent, bully, and level personal attacks against them.

Though I do appreciate the attempts to design me a new hat.

I think the point is that our friendly TRA is insisting that women who focus on women’s rights (including just the right to hold inconvenient opinions) are some other category that TRAs can dismiss as ‘not oppressed’.

I'd think that's a fairly obvious case of intersectionality. You can be oppressed in some respects, not in others, and oppressor in others.

Here are some other attempts with AI.

Pity. I think Declan Kiberd is a brilliant social and cultural commentator. I only know Damien as host of a current affairs show on Rté. He can't seem to follow an argument. Cuts ppl off if the discussion gets too interesting. Maybe Roisin is cut from the same cloth?

The Irish Independent has been OK on the trans issue in general. Even the Irish Times has printed some GC articles - despite being 20% owned by the Guardian. Perhaps all is not lost , though I think we're a few years behind the UK and are hamstrung by having passed Self ID.

Gender critical people, on the other hand, are not

If they're also women, why not?

I tried getting AI to produce me some cone of shame award for misogyny images.

It’s mostly reinforced my feeling that AI is quite a long way from taking over the world.

of course not. All that unpleasantness surrounding Prof. Stock was just an unfortunate misunderstanding.

I explicitly stated that women are an oppressed group.
Gender critical people, on the other hand, are not.

On a tangent i just put cone of shame and reward into the gif thing.

This was what it gave me!

Being very charitable, I think comprehension skills are often much weaker than you’d hope among English speakers. So perhaps they simply aren’t able to read the article and understand the point rather than actually being dishonest.

Bloody hell @TraumatisedGooner.

You’ve managed to totally miss the point of the article and also seem to completely understand that within patriarchy women very much are an oppressed group - even if how that shows up is not homogenous.

You may win today’s FWR misogynist of the day award at this rate. It’s like a cross between the reception class ‘star of the day’ award and a cone of shame.

You aren’t an oppressed minority. You’re not going to be seen as one no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you use the media to portray yourselves as one.

"All accusations are admissions"....

Back to the main point, you cannot win in any battle with TRAs because they will express your real thoughts for you (witness this thread) and convict you on that basis, whatever you actually say or think.

Sometimes they can't even attempt to do that. I've asked many a person to tell me what they assume I think, so I can agree or correct where they are wrong, and they always go silent.

I've read people pretending to think that Hadley is claiming that her oppression took the form of "writing for the Sunday Times" .

You do need to wonder if honesty is a foreign concept to some.

She's such a good writer. That's a beautifully written piece and right on the money.

Oppression is not a universal constant. Women experience oppression in today's society. Hadley Freeman writing for The Sunday Times isn't an example of it.

Good metaphors form around a kernel of genuine equivalence.
Hadley Freeman's use of the term is as valid as Donald Trump's.

@TraumatisedGooner It's shocking you're unaware that women are oppressed.
Don't want to be - don't see oppression as some sort of prize - but are.

And lest we forget that Hadley is Jewish and lost family members during the Holocaust.

If we're taking a leaf out of that dickhead cyclist's book and using language like that.
I don't know how he has the nerve to use such ridiculously hyperbolic language like that...without blushing, too.

Only for simpletons, i'll be bound.

Excellent article thanks for sharing OP.

Though - slight diversion here - I find the Crucible itself pretty sexist. The victims were primarily men, plus one virtuous elderly lady, the accusers were teenage girls. Good old Arthur Miller, takes events that predominantly impacted women and made it all about the menz. But then I don't think you win Pulitzers for writing about women.

Back to the main point, you cannot win in any battle with TRAs because they will express your real thoughts for you (witness this thread) and convict you on that basis, whatever you actually say or think.

Oh hi!

you are hunky dory with criticising people on the internet who don’t share your belief system

that means you’ll find it super easy to explain the gender identity that trans women and cis women share, which is one of the central tenets of your beliefs

unless you’re intellectually bankrupt?

You aren’t an oppressed minority

Hadley’s a Jewish woman, @TraumatisedGooner . Yes, she is from
a minority that is frequently oppressed.

Arthur Miller was the one who conflated policing thought and language with the Salem witch trials. If you think you know better than the Pulitzer Prize winning playwright, that’s a serious delusion on your part.