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Is girl guides single sex again?

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Chilledp · 25/05/2023 19:28

Does anyone know if girl guides have applied some common sense yet? I.e. Just available for girls/ female children once again ?
I did look on their website but couldn't see any clarification. But that may just be me not being able to navigate to the right page, clicked on a few that I thought might clarify but couldn't find any info.
Thank you

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Chilledp · 25/05/2023 19:45

CarbonNeutral · 25/05/2023 19:43

I've taken my daughter out of guides because of this. Tbf she was getting bored anyway, they never seemed to do anything interesting 🤔 they just seemed to sit around and talk or do a bit of craft 🙄

Maybe we're not missing out on much then!

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Chilledp · 25/05/2023 19:43

Babdoc · 25/05/2023 19:39

OP, Girl Guides have sacked whistleblowers and safeguarding officers for objecting to their policy of allowing intact males to share girls dormitories and tents without informing either the girls or their parents that the accommodation will be mixed sex.
I very much doubt they have had a Damascene conversion to safety, privacy and common sense, but one can live in hope.

It is such a shame, it would be so great if it were single sex. 😔 So dangerous, I do wonder how many parents of girls in guides are aware.

I think it was maybe 2 or 3 years ago I read about all this, shocking women were fired for safeguarding girls, I didn't know about that. I was hoping they'd seen common sense, but clearly they haven't.

Thank you everyone for clarifying.

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CarbonNeutral · 25/05/2023 19:43

I've taken my daughter out of guides because of this. Tbf she was getting bored anyway, they never seemed to do anything interesting 🤔 they just seemed to sit around and talk or do a bit of craft 🙄

BonfireLady · 25/05/2023 19:42

Indeed. They've done a bizarre mix of separating out sex and gender... Big tick so far... But then making everyone eligible to be a "girl": girls who don't identify as girls (because they don't have a gender identity), boys who identify as girls and girls who identify as boys are all "girls".

So therefore, mixed sex "girls only". An oxymoron if ever there was one.

From their website:

As a girl-only charity we accept young members who are biologically female (under the protected characteristic of sex) and those whose gender identity is a girl or woman (under the protected characteristic of gender reassignment). This means that we would accept trans boys as new young members based on their sex.

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Chilledp · 25/05/2023 19:39

dementedpixie · 25/05/2023 19:35

https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/information-for-volunteers/running-your-unit/including-all/supporting-trans-members/

This suggests they let male persons join if they think they are women/girls

I didn't see that page. Thank you.
Shame it isn't single sex. 😔

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Babdoc · 25/05/2023 19:39

OP, Girl Guides have sacked whistleblowers and safeguarding officers for objecting to their policy of allowing intact males to share girls dormitories and tents without informing either the girls or their parents that the accommodation will be mixed sex.
I very much doubt they have had a Damascene conversion to safety, privacy and common sense, but one can live in hope.

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Chilledp · 25/05/2023 19:36

Babdoc · 25/05/2023 19:34

Patchworksack, if by AMAB you mean “assigned male at birth”, that is a nonsensical term.
Sex is fixed at conception, observed prenatally on ultrasound scan, and merely confirmed by visual inspection at birth. Nobody “assigns” anything.

I was wondering what that meant!
Agreed.

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Babdoc · 25/05/2023 19:34

Patchworksack, if by AMAB you mean “assigned male at birth”, that is a nonsensical term.
Sex is fixed at conception, observed prenatally on ultrasound scan, and merely confirmed by visual inspection at birth. Nobody “assigns” anything.

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Chilledp · 25/05/2023 19:34

Patchworksack · 25/05/2023 19:31

Or do you mean do they allow trans (AMAB) children?

I have no issue with trans children there, as long as they are female.

Lots of places seem to have seen common sense, hoping girl guides is one of them but can't see either way on their website.

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TeenDivided · 25/05/2023 19:31

Patchworksack · 25/05/2023 19:29

Guiding has always been girls only? Scouts (beavers, cubs etc) is mixed sex.

Guiding has rewritten history to say it has always been single gender ...
They have in recent past at least had a policy of not informing parents of girls they will be sharing tents and washing facilities with transgirls.

Patchworksack · 25/05/2023 19:31

Or do you mean do they allow trans (AMAB) children?

Patchworksack · 25/05/2023 19:29

Guiding has always been girls only? Scouts (beavers, cubs etc) is mixed sex.