Ed Davey is just every inexplicably over-promoted, middle-aged bloke mansplaining a in meeting.

Just an update on Annaliese Dodds. Rosie Duffield has tweeted: "Every single thing a Shadow Minister says is written for them and approved before they get to say it - so she's really not going to go all rogue with her own opinions all of a sudden! This will be the reaction to some latest polling - or doorknocking with real people..."

So this isn't Annaliese coming up with her own thing, it's an agreed party line.

Absolutely that the questioning needs to develop into this. Let them stutter and stumble their way through explaining the mechanism by which this ‘happens’.

Apologies for lowering the tone but I’ve just seen this by Deborah Ross on what she plans to do when she gets her own penis - and couldn’t resist sharing :D
https://archive.ph/PKUfp

Ah, thanks. That is an improvement.

But I still don't trust them.

Its a move forward for dobbs, but she still makes a distinction between sex and gender that needs clarification. There's no situation where my gender would be the same as a man who wants to perform woman/female gender. Certainly nothing that has to be written into law.

I dont think Davey has the intelligence to look think more than a few steps ahead. He cant envisage the implications of allowing men to 'be' women.

He arrogant, too. Sturgeon and starmer are both more effective communicators and they couldnt justify why a man can become a woman. Why he thinks he can is astonishing.

Part of the problem with this discussion is that interviewers are stuck on the 'what is a women' question, rather than asking how they think a man becomes a woman. And they need politicians to justify examples - when exactly did eddie izzard have the right to use womans facilities, do 'woman with penis' get to provide intimated care for teenage girls? Make them justify why thats the case, and if not, how are the ensuring it can't happen.

Untrustworthy

Here's her previous pronouncement.

Here it is - it's from yesterday, in an interview with Kay Burley:

https://twitter.com/cathydevine56/status/1661499084480323592

Creasy: "She said: 'Do I think some women were born with penises? Yes. But they are now women and I respect that.'
Ms Creasy added: 'JK Rowling doesn't support self-identification whereas I do. Of course biological sex is real - it's just not the end of the conversation.
'I am somebody who would say that a trans woman is an adult human female.'"

So biological sex is real but when men born with a penis transition they become an adult human female. Suggesting biological sex isn't real. Or can change. 🤷‍♀️🙄

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10865467/Labour-chair-says-fellow-MP-WRONG-argue-women-born-penises.html

Dodds' comment was a while back, no?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/v0ju5x/anneliese_dodds_mp_says_she_disagrees_with_stella/

The trouble is once someone has prevaricated on this subject, it's going to be hard for people to trust them again.

Has anyone seen that Annaliese Dodds has now come out and said that women can't have penises? That's a big change from Labour. Of course, she said it with the air of one stating something completely obvious, as if she had never previously floundered when asked the question.

I remember them standing out on the Remain front. It was not ethical. They said they would ignore a democratic vote if it went the wrong way - they were proposing a second referendum at the time, saying if it was still to leave the EU they would ignore the result. Not democratic. They can all get stuffed as far as I am concerned - the trans thing follows from their other anti real people agenda.

Too true. I remember the night my DD was born. The midwife called out the time and the sex (which I knew because someone helpful had put a pink blanket on the radiator - I had been careful not to find out!). It was instant. FFS, where do they get these ideas?

😂This made me laugh.

I actually do feel a bit bad about the whole Santa schtick. I mean they love it but they’re really convinced it’s real atm

I don’t know much about Lib Dems, only that they stood out on remain front but this gender stuff is woeful and negates it all

Mind you, people like the leader of the Lib Dems (among others) are lying to telling adults and children that women have penises. And they would have this lie imposed in law; allowing opportunism and unethical practices wrt medical interventions and places where women and children are vulnerable to abuse. Also they seem to be ok with opportunities for women being torpedoed in general life - eg sports and organising as a class.

Oh gosh, this brings me back to the dilemma I faced over telling offspring that Santa didn't exist, and that we parents provided the presents under the tree. When offspring was young, he declared that God must exist as otherwise where did Santa, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny get their powers. Who wants to kill God, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa all in one go.

We waited until an absurd age to tell him that Santa wasn't real.

Good image. Love it.

I think he is. Most LibDems seem to be. So they are regressive neo-liberals supporting Tory (and EU btw) economic policies which impact particularly on the working classes and women, with a 'progressive' social policy e.g. TWAW etc,

Men, eh? I shouldn't be surprised, and yet even now, I retain the capacity to be shocked.

I asked my dad and 2 brothers (both married to women) that if the vote was taken away from women would they attend a protest march.....they all said 'probably not'.
I guess at least they were truthful. It's the men that would lie and say 'of course' while secretly being pleased that are the most dangerous I suppose.

CLEARLY the tooth fairy is real, nils. Otherwise where are all the fucking teeth going?! Eh?

I sometimes think that they don’t want them to be men. They’d be much happier if they can completely disown transwomen and have the men category without such anomalies.