Declining to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature

Isn't it rather immature to think that it doesn't matter ?

Just two little words eh?
If those little words are so insignificant then why do you need them?

janeinthewild · Yesterday 22:22
@AnarchoTyrannosaurus So are we condoning mockery now? Is that really the best idea

The ideas of ‘preferred pronouns’ and ‘gender identities’ are ridiculous.

The appropriate response to ridiculous ideas is to ridicule them.

I don’t ‘condone’ this mockery, I applaud it.

"I'm not willing to out myself one way or another. Thank you"

Have you seen Dylan Mulvaney………………………………?!

Men saying they are women is mockery

@janeinthewild tell me your pronouns if you want to, I'll even try to remember them and will use them, because no matter what my beliefs are I have no desire to intentionally hurt anyone's feelings, particularly in my workplace. But why should everyone have to "announce their pronouns" just because a vanishingly small minority of people want to announce theirs?

Me telling you that I am biologically female and you can refer to me as such, does nothing to validate your identity but it does make me uncomfortable.

I am as uncomfortable with the idea of putting pronouns in my signature as I would be if I was asked to put my religion or my ethnicity in to my signature.

I don't see why it's ok to tell me I should do that.

That’s rather missing the point; I don’t think anyone’s suggesting it’s ‘hard’. Maybe read the posts more carefully?

No, that doesn’t help me understand what ‘feeling like a woman’ means at all. And it doesn’t help me to know whether I’m a woman, nor how to describe whether I’m a woman or a man.

I used to be able to do that really easily - there was a word, and the fact that I have female anatomy and xx chromosomes all meant I was a woman.

But now it’s transphobic / hateful / bigoted to refer to any of that.

So can you help me out?

It's not a rough example

It's asking what you actual mean

You provided an example
It fell over at the first cursory glance

You are unable to improve on it

You haven't actually got a clue have you?

It's up to individual choice. Are you policing what they should think about this as well now?

@AnarchoTyrannosaurus So are we condoning mockery now? Is that really the best idea

Only because it is open to mockery.

This this this.

So?

@AnarchoTyrannosaurus Come on, it's obvious some people are mocking it

Well I see no issue with that. Your femininity is not the same as mine. It is just a rough example

It's up to individuals if they want to choose unusual pronouns for themselves. You don't get to police that. Acceptance without exception.

So I doubt I would look at such a photo and have your response

Thinking about things , it's usually men whose looks I would most aim to emulate

But i don't see that is anything more than
1; the fact I don't like particular stereotypical feminine looks
2; a good dash of wanting to be male because that's where the action is

@FlirtsWithRhinos If you don't want to use or specifiy a certain set of pronouns, that is perfectly fine and I respect that entirely. A lot of people replying have however suggested immature alternatives to submit in order to mock the encouragement to add pronouns which is just ridiculoud

I'll use a rough example for this. Imagine you see a photo of an attractive male and an attractive female. As a woman, I am more likely to think 'I wish I looked like that' when looking at the photo of the woman and not the man.

It's likely not exactly the same for being transgender, I would not know as I am not trans myself. But that is the best way I can describe the feeling of knowing what your gender is.

Of course that is only a small example and everyone's relationship with gender is not exactly the same but I hope that makes it a little bit easier to relate to/understand

@janeinthewild - since you support gender identity, and clearly believe transwomen are women, perhaps you can help us out.

What does ‘feeling like a woman’ mean?

We now know that the old definition of woman (adult human female) is transphobic and hateful, so now the definition of a woman is ‘someone who feels like a woman’.

What does that mean? How do I now know if I’m a man or a woman?

So far, no-one has been able to explain that. It would be great if you could, so that we could understand.

You probably missed my post so I will explain again.

She/her/hers pronouns go with Woman/Girl.

There are currently two conflicting decisions of the word "Woman".

The first is the original, sex based meaning. A woman is simply an adult person whose physical sex is female. By this definition I am a woman so she/her/hers I appropriate.

The second is mental. A woman is a person of either sex who believes they have a female mentality (whatever that is). By this definition I am not a woman so she/her/hers is not appropriate.

The second definition is the only one that allows trans women to be women, and since declaring pronouns is done in support of trans people, if you declare She/her/hers pronouns you are clearly declaring yourself to be a woman by this second, mental definition, ie that you see yourself as having a female mentality.

Like many female bodied people I am comfortable with my female body but do not see myself as having an especially female mentality, and in fact consider that to be an offensively sexist and reductive idea. Therefore, it is neither appropriate nor honest to declare myself to be She/her/hers.

Unfortunately since genderists chose to reuse words with existing meanings rather than coin new words for gender-based concepts, this leaves me a bit stuck on the pronoun front.

I therefore do accept that, in the absence of any pronouns for the just-female (other than the ones that have been stolen from us), people will have to call me she/her/hers, but I'm not going to actively declare them because that would be condoning ideas about womanhood I find offensive, and making a statement about myself which isn't true.

Thats why - for the ppl who have most definitely read this thread & not just jumped into tell us to beeee kiiiind

Have a feeling this is heading down the tracks in my workplace. I’m mulling over:
’She who must be obeyed/Her majesty’.

…..or resigning.

There's things in life I do have to do. But adding my pronouns to please people like you is certainly not one of them. 😂

And I don't want to. So I won't. I don't care about your pronouns. So butt out of mine ☺️