Top finishers in Brooklyn half non-binary division all male

I for one wish them luck against the cis cheetahs.

I’m not a runner but I’m laughing at the idea that these people call themselves NB but we still know their sex…

At least they’re not pretending to be female, I suppose.

Or they will just identify into the women's race. And just ruin everything

How long before a lot of men just go into the non binary category to get prize money. Therefore just filling it up for a while. Once they don't get any benefit it will probably just fizzle out

The reductio ad absurdum conclusion would be to have a separate category for each individual. Then everyone will be a winner and all shall have prizes.

This is an excellent post.

On the actual topic: I can see a 'need' for an AFAB-NB category - I don't know if there is drug testing but females taking testosterone may not be able to compete in the female category.

But males suppressing testosterone can legitimately compete in the male category (but not in female, still having higher testosterone as well as the lifetime benefits of it on development).

So, yes to an AFAB+T category, maybe? But then we could get into a right rabbit hole of various interventions etc.

I don't know much about flouncy women's clothing, but is that beige stripy item on backwards? Shouldn't the zip and bit across the neck be at the back?

Is is that a style choice? A 'queering' of the fashion industry. Or something?

Datun · Today 11:20

And then other genders to kick off, and they get themselves tied up in a knot of such wokeness, they disappear up their own virtue.

Well, I've never heard it called that before!

Sorry, meant to bold the quote in the first paragraph.

The positive I would take from this is that the women's race is at least being run by women.

That depends.

If men who say they are women can run in the women's race, that isn't the case.

Remember, as lot of trans people don't identify as NB, they identify as the other sex. That's what transsexual / transgender originally meant, and still does to some

How do race organisers check what biological sex a competitor is? Check ID documents? But they may not have a sex marker, or the holder may have had the marker changed.

Yes, doubtless it will also spawn some tedious nonsense trying to jumble cause and effect.

It's great that this is something as measurable and non-interactive as running, where one is essentially competing against oneself. There will be good data about the times achieved by AMAB before they identified into the non-Binary category.

This.

I think what they've done is brilliant. Give it a few years and...

We're just reinventing the wheel. It's a division 1 and 2 type thing isn't it? There just needs to be more opportunity for prize money but shame on those who try to steal instead of advocating for more opportunities.

Well being non-binary is about denying the physical reality of sex. This race result perfectly shows that only sexist people want to deny sex reality.

An NB person seems unlikely to say it’s not fair that the AMAB NBs always win, as according to them, they aren’t of any sex and nobody NB is of any sex either, so the fact that the men win everything shouldn’t be an issue.

Meanwhile back in actual reality… for women runners (or anyone else) who think gender identity is irrelevant in physical competition, there’s a very serious problem here of discrimination against women.

Surely the gender-identity-irrelevant women can bring a legal case because regardless of anyone’s ideas about gender identity (which should be irrelevant to a running race) both sexes do get two options to compete but only men get two options to win the actual prize money. Women have just the one chance..

The positive I would take from this is that the women's race is at least being run by women.
Complaining that the NB category should be seperated effectively by sex is just unintended genius though! Maybe they just need to identify a bit more male to close the gap.

They could have a furries category. Although if some of them wanted to run on all fours it might be awkward.

This idiocy just gets worse.

I always feel reminded of that line in The Usual Suspects: the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

Twisting people’s perceptions to the point that something so ludicrous and unfair is held up as progressive.

This is the Instagram account of the bloke who came second in the non binary category.

www.instagram.com/jacobcaswell/?hl=en

The whole thing is a sham.

Well colour me pink.

Just remember though, that there is no body of evidence that points to bad faith actors trying to use self ID in order to abuse women and girls sport😐

What I'd really is for the women to sue, so they have to make two non-binary divisions, based on sex obviously. And then other genders to kick off, and they get themselves tied up in a knot of such wokeness, they disappear up their own virtue.

If the discrimination law in the US is the same, then yes, it's an opportunity for women to sue. I bloody well hope they do.

I mean making men suffer in the sense that action will be taken when the unfairness affects them/more people. Not that they should suffer, it's unfair on the honest guys too and that's not ok.

Is there a decent chance this will piss off some men too though? Which can only be a good thing.

If I was a man in places 4-40 I'd see it as pretty shit another guy running slower than me gets first prize.

I think this will ultimately be a good thing, peaking everybody and making men suffer too.