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Filmmaker Lilly Wachowski explains that trans pornography made him trans

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zibzibara · 20/05/2023 11:37

https://twitter.com/genericeddie/status/1659081857793769472

There it is, straight from the horse's mouth. A video to show to anyone still skeptical that there are men driven to transition by sexual arousal and fetishism.

https://twitter.com/genericeddie/status/1659081857793769472

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RebelliousCow · 19/07/2023 17:00

I've been watching the transitionof a young man, froma. distance, for many years now. He is now about to undergo "full" re-assignemnt surgery.
He definitely wants to be seen as, and desired, as a woman ( by men).His idea of being woman is revolves around being considered attracative and being fancied by men.

He clearly has intense dysphoria around his male genitalia; I can only imagine some emotional or other trauma - but removing his genitalia is not going to make him into a woman; and furthermore he won't be young and attractive for ever.

RebelliousCow · 19/07/2023 16:56

MishyJDI · 19/07/2023 13:48

Lols. I can see how you would get that read.

No. I believe what she is saying is that like many trans people she felt she would not be accepted or loved as her true self. A common trans fear that keeps the number of trans living their authentic self low and in the closet.

Seeing confident trans adult models proud of their bodies and being desirable unlocked that her life as lived trans would not be the outcast many trans fear and keeps them locked in the closet and in loveless relationships as they try to be normal and fit in with easy society norms and boundaries.

She is not saying hypno porn or whatever made her trans and that its a fetish.

But I can see why a personal bias and lack of experience with actual trans people would lead you to an alternative view.

Hope that helps….but it doesn’t support your narrative so I’m sure it doesn’t.

It is not " authentic" to pose as a woman when you are not.

Wanting to feel "desired" is a common trope amongst men with autogynephilia. You should read some accounts.

Also a really excellent dociumentary on Netflix called 'Regretters': a Swedish production that fetaures two detransitioned males - one of whom was amongst the first to have transsexual surgery in the 1960s ( a gay man at. a time when being gay was still illegal); the other an AGP whose motive for transition was that if "he couldn't attract the women that he desired, then he thought maybe he himself could be a desirable woman, instead.

Both went as far as removal of their male genitalia - lived "as a woman" for many years before realising that they were not really women at all, and were now seeking penis reconstruction.

Datun · 19/07/2023 16:19

TheDogthatDug · 19/07/2023 15:48

Porn not pork. Now that would be a thing

Gawd, don't ... 🤣

TheDogthatDug · 19/07/2023 15:48

Porn not pork. Now that would be a thing

TheDogthatDug · 19/07/2023 15:47

Isn't there some sort of saying amongst transwomen that it's 18 months from starting to watch sissy pork to them reading they are trans?

Datun · 19/07/2023 14:49

But I can see why a personal bias and lack of experience with actual trans people would lead you to an alternative view.

Every single thing we know about trans people is the result of what they say and do!

Every. Single. Thing.

What did you think? We found all this information painted on a cave, or in a fortune cookie??

I mean, they even enjoy writing nasty books about it.

But according to Chu, sissy porn is fundamental to his trans identity.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/19/a-pornified-view-of-womanhood/amp/

A pornified view of womanhood

Trans writer Andrea Long Chu is being celebrated for reducing women to degraded sexual objects.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/19/a-pornified-view-of-womanhood/amp/

Backstreets · 19/07/2023 14:30

Or wondered why the old fashioned kind of woman never, as a rule, gets her life epiphanies, confidence or outlook from her porn consumption.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/07/2023 14:11

Datun · 19/07/2023 14:03

Have you ever looked at the transwidows threads??? 🤣

Let alone wondered why transitioning children is such a focus for these adults?

Datun · 19/07/2023 14:03

MishyJDI · 19/07/2023 13:48

Lols. I can see how you would get that read.

No. I believe what she is saying is that like many trans people she felt she would not be accepted or loved as her true self. A common trans fear that keeps the number of trans living their authentic self low and in the closet.

Seeing confident trans adult models proud of their bodies and being desirable unlocked that her life as lived trans would not be the outcast many trans fear and keeps them locked in the closet and in loveless relationships as they try to be normal and fit in with easy society norms and boundaries.

She is not saying hypno porn or whatever made her trans and that its a fetish.

But I can see why a personal bias and lack of experience with actual trans people would lead you to an alternative view.

Hope that helps….but it doesn’t support your narrative so I’m sure it doesn’t.

Have you ever looked at the transwidows threads??? 🤣

MishyJDI · 19/07/2023 13:48

zibzibara · 20/05/2023 11:37

https://twitter.com/genericeddie/status/1659081857793769472

There it is, straight from the horse's mouth. A video to show to anyone still skeptical that there are men driven to transition by sexual arousal and fetishism.

Lols. I can see how you would get that read.

No. I believe what she is saying is that like many trans people she felt she would not be accepted or loved as her true self. A common trans fear that keeps the number of trans living their authentic self low and in the closet.

Seeing confident trans adult models proud of their bodies and being desirable unlocked that her life as lived trans would not be the outcast many trans fear and keeps them locked in the closet and in loveless relationships as they try to be normal and fit in with easy society norms and boundaries.

She is not saying hypno porn or whatever made her trans and that its a fetish.

But I can see why a personal bias and lack of experience with actual trans people would lead you to an alternative view.

Hope that helps….but it doesn’t support your narrative so I’m sure it doesn’t.

OldCrone · 19/07/2023 13:11

SamanthaThePanther · 19/07/2023 12:13

It hasn't gone away, it has been moved. So Gender Dysphoria was F.64 in ICD 10 but is now Gender Incongruence HA60 ICD 11. This is in sexual health now not mental health, to me this seems fitting.

https://www.findacode.com/icd-11/block-411470068.html

If it's a sexual health condition, how can it apply to children?

SamanthaThePanther · 19/07/2023 12:13

flyingbuttress43 · 20/05/2023 19:59

I am baffled as to how/why the WHO took trans out of the category of mental disorders.

It hasn't gone away, it has been moved. So Gender Dysphoria was F.64 in ICD 10 but is now Gender Incongruence HA60 ICD 11. This is in sexual health now not mental health, to me this seems fitting.

https://www.findacode.com/icd-11/block-411470068.html

Gender incongruence - ICD-11 MMS

ICD-11 MMS chapter section Gender incongruence with excludes, code elsewhere, and included sections/codes.

https://www.findacode.com/icd-11/block-411470068.html

potniatheron · 19/07/2023 11:39

There's a group on Reddit called something like 'sissypornrecovery' which is for men who want help and support in recovering from their sissy porn addiction.

A great number of them confess that sissy (AGP) porn made them think they were trans, encouraged them to go on oestrogen, or ruined their real life sexual relationships, or caused them to go down a rabbit hole of every more extreme sissy porn.

Some of them have lost their jobs, lost friendships, seen their real lives damaged because of this specific subgenre of porn and its addictive nature.

They're very brave to admit the issue and seek to recover.

I have no doubt that porn plays a huge issue in the explosion of transgenderism and as the edifice of 'trans rights' continues to collapse, more and more men will admit to this.

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LangClegsInSpace · 22/05/2023 21:17

zibzibara · 22/05/2023 10:51

His brother had a similar back story to his transing:
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/9138137" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Mystery of Larry Wachowski (old Rolling Stone article, quietly deleted many years ago).

Both of them very pornsick men.

Story contains Buck Angel.

Backstreets · 22/05/2023 20:58

I'm a bit of a film buff and it always pissed me off when I saw this perv and his brother in lists of "greatest female filmmakers" etc. Always conscientiously included in any list any good little liberal feminist made, too. Up there with genuine trailblazers like Bigelow and Varda and Sally Potter.

Even as a teen I knew Bound was voyeuristic and fetishising, but I remember the press lauding them for their frank portrayal of lesbian sexuality. I remember a man scoffing at me for saying something like that and wondered huh am I being prissy? so I'm feeling quite vindicated right now.

LangClegsInSpace · 22/05/2023 19:36

flyingbuttress43 · 20/05/2023 19:59

I am baffled as to how/why the WHO took trans out of the category of mental disorders.

They say it was to 'reduce stigma' and also mumble mumble 'the science' (unspecified) and it wasn't only because of pressure groups:

Musomama1 · 22/05/2023 17:25

Definitely saying the quiet part out loud.

I totally get that some men will be attracted to being objectified, not just like a woman, but as a woman. And become fixated on it.

LW says here it was 'to be loved'. And yet, what part of pornography makes you feel love for the participants?

I think there's such a denial here. I feel the reasons for men to be objectified as a 'beautiful woman', are different to women's motivations to be beautiful and objectified.

For women isn't it self esteem and confidence? To be seen as a desirable woman? For men, it's sexual right?

DemiColon · 22/05/2023 13:53

flyingbuttress43 · 20/05/2023 19:59

I am baffled as to how/why the WHO took trans out of the category of mental disorders.

I am not a conspiracy theory person, but it seems more and more that many of these global institutions, like the WHO, and the UN, are completely immersed in western progressive ideology. They seem to have accepted that all the sacred ideas of that perspective are what should be pushed in every country.

Which is bizarre, given that they are meant to be world-wide, and the majority of the world isn't made up of western liberal progressives. It seems like a recipe to make sure many countries ultimately reject having anything to do with these organizations.

BonfireLady · 22/05/2023 13:26

zibzibara · 22/05/2023 10:51

His brother had a similar back story to his transing:
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/9138137" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Mystery of Larry Wachowski (old Rolling Stone article, quietly deleted many years ago).

Both of them very pornsick men.

Wow. There are some very interesting aspects of that whole story.
Particularly the middle parts around where the psychologist is quoted.

zibzibara · 22/05/2023 10:51

His brother had a similar back story to his transing:
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/9138137" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Mystery of Larry Wachowski (old Rolling Stone article, quietly deleted many years ago).

Both of them very pornsick men.

Rolling Stone : The Mystery of Larry Wachowski

One night in January 2001, Larry Wachowski, co-director of the blockbuster Matrix movies, walked into a dark club in West Hollywood, where the rules of identity easily blurred, just like in his films. The Dungeon served the devoted BDSM -- bondage, dis...

https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/9138137

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OldGardinia · 21/05/2023 09:04

It's bizarre that many people seem not to be aware that AGP is a thing. One of the first transexuals I met was the partner of a female friend who she found out was cross-dressing. When she asked him why he didn't just 'become' a woman, he told her that he could but he would be an ugly woman and "there's no point in being an ugly woman".

Filmmaker Lilly Wachowski explains that trans pornography made him trans
nauticant · 20/05/2023 22:30

I am baffled as to how/why the WHO took trans out of the category of mental disorders.

It's deep politics and is to do with a decades-long project to reframe trans from being understood as a paraphilia to being akin to homosexuality. This article here is illustrative:

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/proposed-dsm-5-revisions-sexual-and-gender-identity-disorder-criteria/2010-08

If you want to know anything about trans, in the sense of "how did we end up here?", much of the "establishment" material available over the past decade is so captured as to be highly misleading.

nilsmousehammer · 20/05/2023 21:03

Beccause they were told to, by a politically powerful, rich lobby.

Compare this to sufferers of chronic fatigue syndrome and ME: despite repeated evidence from sufferers and years of campaigning, backed up by evidenced research that exercise and psychology would not 'fix' this and that it was not a mental illness, it was only very, very recently that NICE guidelines went out to doctors to state that GET (graded exercise therapy) should not be offered as actively harmful to patients and the cause of many becoming severely more ill.

The money and political power behind those providing GET was a much stronger incentive than evidence and patient interest. And this was not a fashionable group with good PR and corporate benefit ops.

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