Brighton NHS trust recommends drug-induced male breastfeeding in their maternity protocols

Indeed.

Apparently there's no end to how surprised I am every day, at the shit that can be got into policies and that somehow no one questions it. I mean wtf why are they taking this seriously? Are they all that scared to talk about the emperor's lack of clothing?

No one says "well you know ok calling the mum he, but fuck no am I encouraging getting in the way of establishing breastfeeding"

You'd think, eh?

100%

Testing testing...

Fetish.

This a hundred times over. This shit is appalling from the NHS. How the fuck DARE they?

I ended up with a horrendous epsiotomy infection due the fact that the hcps were worried that the antibiotics might get into my milk and affect the baby. FUCK This shit!

WTAF?? I gave up COFFEE! I didn't drink. Don't they care about the actual baby?

I honestly think they meant transmen given the "who haven't been pregnant before" but the language muddle means there's something missing in translation 🙄 . Oh dear who'd have thought definitions could have avoided this.

Not just that, but lactating mothers struggling with their supply are slammed for taking galactogenic supplements (such as fenugreek) or medications (such as domperidone, which is given to babies for reflux) to boost their supply.

Who knew it was so simple - just be a man, with a male endocrine system damaged by anti-androgenic drugs and cross-sex hormones. Because then taking galactogenic drugs will be fine for the baby.

Apologies I haven't RTFT. Genuine question: has anyone analysed this liquid to check it even IS milk?

The article you talk about did not cover anything but the ‘nutritional’ value. I have read it.

It didn’t test for drug interaction or what drugs crossed over to the infant. It did NOT test for testosterone for instance.

So, by all means you can take that at face value. I choose not to. Because until that analysis is done, ‘nutritional’ value is pointless if you are secreting chemicals that have never been tested for safety in infants. I am very comfortable calling this substance a secretion.

Plus, all tests show that no male breast has yet made enough milk to sustain an infant past the first weeks. No matter how much drug they take or how much they pump. They simply cannot according to the recorded evidence. And amongst the links I posted , a transitioned male, Associate Professor, Family Community Medicine, is telling the world that this is not advisable until further research.

Deutsch, an expert in family medicine, would not do this for their child when the opportunity arose. Because Deutsch did not want to cause any harm to their child.

Why would you substitute the richness of the first milk formulas especially designed for first weeks, for the secretions of a male nipple?

A mother’s milk will be suitable because of the female reproductive system has made the modifications needed for each stage of that infant’s life. A male body cannot do this at all. And a donor milk supply will be matched to the child’s age. It is not just about ‘donor’ milk.

A growing infant has tiny amounts of milk at the start, why would any person feel it is acceptable for this substance to take the place of that first milk? A substance found be lacking in the nutrition needed for that child to develop properly from the first instance?

Given the appalling state of maternity care in this country, the idea that any NHS staff are allowed to waste time on enabling the demands of this male fetish is a disgrace. Stop harming women and babies, provide safe maternity care for all women and babies and then turn your attention to the demands of the narcissists.

For a different take, I definitely read at least one study saying men lactating is nutritionally the same as women’s breastmilk when I was reading up on breastmilk a few years ago. It felt like a serious analysis; I’m not an expert in this but do have a science background. I don’t have it to hand now but it can’t have been too hard to find. Im in oz so I'm headed to bed now but I’ve been around a while and am perfectly genuine. So I can’t join the crowd calling it secretions and other stuff. Nor do I think there is too much scope for rage that it quite probably doesn’t respond to a baby the way the mothers milk does, since many women happily use donor milk which would also not react to the baby.
The paramount question is of course the benefit to the baby; I’d think the mothers milk is of the most benefit, and if a man is taking any kind of medication that is not proven safe for breastfeeding no professional should ethically say anything but that it’s a terrible idea.
and personally nobody else is ever breastfeeding my babies that’s for sure!

Behold, your tax dollars at work.

You can’t even get help from your health visitor about how to safely prepare formula but the NHS is a-ok with untested, drug induced fluids secreted from male nipples now?

Drug-induced male breastfeeding. Just no. No. No. No. Health professionals need to stand up and be the grown-ups in the room and not encourage this craziness.

Enabling and encouraging TW to breastfeed is NOT best for baby. The baby’s health and safety should trump everything. Babies are not there to validate anyone. They are helpless and innocent and they trust us to do the right thing by them. The early breast milk they receive is very important to their health and immune system, and it comes naturally from WOMEN. The original ones, because biology is a terf.

There are some things women can do that men cannot. Men need to learn to live with that and stop making everything about them. By all means, be trans and be happy. But understand that you cannot do all the things a biological woman can do. I actually think it’s sick to try.

I remember worrying about eating too many cruciferous vegetables while breastfeeding, ffs.

To every woman who has struggled to establish or maintain breastfeeding and failed to get the support the NHS really ought to be providing to all mothers who need it - I'm so bloody sorry.

No need to apologise jellysaurus. My post was badly worded.
I am becoming incoherent with all this fetishistic claptrap.

When I was struggling to breastfeed (admittedly back in the 90s), I asked if there were any drugs that would boost my supply and was told I couldn’t take anything.

But now biological men can get whatever they want, so they can lactate and feed their babies, with no thought as to any effects of those drugs on the babies? Bloody typical.

Coliseum is produced in response to pregnancy, so..............

Sorry, endofthelinefinally.

Everything about this men's rights ideology-driven behaviour makes absolutely no sense at all. All the justifications for it are completely made up nonsense.

Yes.

’Life saving’. No way, get to fuck with that! There was most likely formula as an option for this emergency use.

This really was this male ‘rescuing’ the infant from an emergency of the couple’s own making. There would have been alternatives, they chose not to use them and to put their child in danger.

I doubt a male body produces colostrum. Yet someone allowed this male to believe what they produced was just that!

That should say What The Fuck, not duck.
Stupid swiping refuses to write swear words.

What the duck is a "Transformation Lead Midwife"?
As a former community midwife, I think the health boards need to ensure there are sufficient midwives for women in labour and afterwards.
Not be appointing people to made-up bollocks roles.

I occurs to me that there is a case for the baby to be taken into care because its future care may not be appropriate because of the parents' completely batshit ideas. Wasn't there a case of a child fed a poor vegan diet (as opposed to a good nutritional vegan diet)?