Brighton NHS trust recommends drug-induced male breastfeeding in their maternity protocols

Yes it's magical Lemon.

A lact consultant I know said to me they think mammary glands developed from the immune system hence why it's so linked to antibodies and supply responses to need.

Male and female immune systems do appear to be slightly different- based on responses to viruses etc. and autoimmune diseases.

Anyway, my F word appears to have survived the night.

We need more people like you getting policies and procedures.

Sorry but this MUST be stopped. The guidance must be withdrawn until research is carried out. I can only guess what this will reveal about the toxic swill that are male secretions but I'm damned sure it won't be anything that you ever want to put in an infant. How the f#ck did risking the health of an infant to prioritise a fetish come about. Anyone involved in that guidance should be sacked.

How little TWs care for babies if they fool around feeding them potentially dangerous milk. They must be the most selfish people on the planet!
But this is what comes of indulging their delusions. They are not women, not mothers,.and not able to produce wholesome milk.

I stopped bf about 6 months ago so will be honest I have forgotten a lot of the details. But I do remember so many times I was just in awe of the female body and breast milk; and stunned simultaneously by how little they know, but also not that surprised as it’s a perfect hour by hour custom drink and therefore impossible in a way to truly know 100% about.

That our bodies can tell when babe is ill and produce appropriate antibodies, even from skin to skin and pumping. Not just lips to nipple.

That our milk automatically thins when it’s hot and babe needs more water.

The milk flux from sleep hormones and wake hormones for babe.

It’s honestly incredible! Women are machines. My male partner can barely make it to lunch without having a hanger breakdown and I could happily sustain me and my growing babe without drama. It’s pretty impressive stuff. Do I think men could do it. Instinct is telling me absolutely not. And that’s not even from an ethical or output stand point. It’s that from my experience men’s bodies are far too fragile on a calorie in calorie out day to day function level.

"What other reason can there be for the wholesale takeover of so many previously women dominated birth, breastfeeding and women’s health organizations around the world? Why else would what was previously considered to be “women’s business”, now be the domain of men pretending to be women?" (100) Private Spaces - by Lucy Leader - Bodies get in the way... (substack.com)

This and the other story on here are so depressing and wrong

KalimbaMoon

By all means, be trans and be happy. But understand that you cannot do all the things a biological woman can do. I actually think it’s sick to try.

I think it's sick and against all medical ethics to be doing this.

What do these people do, parade the baby round friends and family, saying, "This is my new fantasy validating living puppet?"

I don't think I've any opinions which haven't already been expressed here. Common sense is a much abused term these days, but FFS! Have these ideologies got no bloody common sense?

Having had several relatives suffer horrendously (including one who died and one who almost died) as a result of the awful care in York Hospital, it sadly does not surprise me that they are wasting their time on this shit rather than actually trying to improve the care and medical service they offer to their patients.

Are these meeting reports available on trust websites or were they released as a result of FOI do you know @zibzibara ?

NHS Rainbow badge scheme? What are they - Cubs and Brownies? Why don’t they just focus on looking after people who need medical care instead of collecting bloody badges?

My own trust narrowly missed accreditation status. 😭😉😂
But now they know what is expected, they are working to improve policies and practice for when they reapply next year.
I am watching those maternity policies like a hawk.
So far I have largely kept my terfy tendencies under wraps for obvious reasons.
But if they start including policies to help men breastfeed babies I may have to face up to a bankrupt future because I will not be able to contain myself on this. It really is a line in the sand.
Abuse of infants.
And I would also say abuse of newly delivered women, who should be assisted to establish breastfeeding (if they want to breastfeed), bond with their baby, respecting the infant/mother dyad. Let's not forget that breastfeeding has very important health benefits for the mother - release of oxytocin which gives a feel good boost, aids bonding with the baby, stimulates lactation, helps the uterus contract, reduces the risk of breast and ovarian cancer.

No man should be coming between a newly delivered woman and her baby and no health "professional" should be facilitating this.
I suggest that most of these women handing their babies over to men so that they can try to force a starving screaming infant to suckle on their hairy nipple are likely victims of a coercive relationship even if they do not recognise this at that point in time.

Ffs
But it is Brighton, so I'm not altogether surprised tbh.

Many of the trusts listed have been asked to supply details relating to their Rainbow Badge Accreditation. Search on WhatDoTheyKnow.com for Rainbow Badge Accreditation.
Some have given more helpful answers than others. In some of the hospital policies supplied you can find it all. Annexe B. Restraint policies. Staff changing rooms. Help for "non-carrying parent to chest/breast feed".

This trust helpfully linked the induction pack that the Rainbow Badge scheme supplies to trusts listing the various policies and practices on which they will be judged.

(Anyone know what "conception at home attempts for same gender couples who require fertility treatment" might involve? 🤔🤷‍♀️

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/870748/response/2080857/attach/5/Induction%20pack.docx?cookie_passthrough=1

Namechange for...reasons.

The answer to all this lies in the NHS Rainbow badge scheme, which is, of course, the spawn of Stonewall.
The project is run by a consortium of the usual suspects.

The Rainbow badge accreditation is equivalent to the various Stonewall accreditation schemes.

NHS England replied to various FOIs, revealing for instance that the cost in 2021/2022 was £220,000 and listing the 40 trusts involved in the scheme. They also subsequently listed the 10 trusts involved in the pilot scheme.

In order to achieve rainbow badge accreditation trusts have to jump through hoops, supply policies and protocols for inspection and make sure that those policies centre the most vulnerable group.

Check out the FOI to see if your local trust is on the list.
There are likely new trusts vying for accreditation this year, not listed on the FOI.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/costoffthenhssrainbowbadgee_pr#incoming-2103218

The whole thing us idiotic.
And dangerous for the baby.

That midwives can go along with this, that thus NHS trust can spend even a penny on this shit should be punishable by - much and a lot.

And the sex based, binary sexism places not only the female but the child of either sex below the wishes of a man.

Yes. It smells to high heaven.

It reeks.

This is strikingly obvious sexism, similar to the way only the female sex is erased while the male sex is barely beginning to be inconvenienced.

Women are given a long list of things they should not eat or drink when pregnant or breastfeeding, and in some cases the recommendations honestly admit that they are being overly cautious just to make certain that nothing harmful enters the infant's body.

So leaving aside the medical cocktails that men must take to induce lactation and its possible interactions with other medications transwomen might be taking, are they also told not to have any coffee, tuna, alcohol, etc. etc.?

It's been so odd to see, in real life, the privileging of male people over female people when it comes to this wider issue of transgender activism. It smells of men's rights activism.

"The thing which hits me hard here is the utter and complete undermining of the mother and of the mother-baby relationship".

Undermining parent child bonds / relationships runs through this ideology like a stick of rock. Explaining why would get the post deleted but there's plenty of objective evidence about the type of people who thrive when the parent child bond is broken. To do this to mothers and babies is unforgivable.

The thing which hits me hard here is the utter and complete undermining of the mother and of the mother-baby relationship. Where is the support and reassurance for her? The dad has set himself up in competition with her and is claiming to have been the one who kept their son alive in her place. A mother needs to be supported to grow in confidence in her role, her partner should be supporting and nurturing the mother-baby dyad not coming in between them!

Not to mention of course the fantasy of “my stored supply and whatever I was expressing”. Completely delusional. A mother with a retained placenta will usually still have considerably greater volume of colostrum than the volume of whatever substance a man is going to produce from his nipples through use of pharmaceuticals. Her mature milk coming in will likely be delayed, in all likelihood she will still have colostrum. And obviously the hospital was not going to let this baby starve, or get malnourished, or get kidney or liver problems, obviously, screened donor milk or formula would have been given to this baby. And Sandi would have been taken to theatre ASAP to get the retained placenta removed.

Fetish-shaming. How very dare you!

Mothers produce milk specifically dependant on the sex of their baby.

'Evidence to date suggests that infants of different sex may have different nutritional and hormonal requirements. This underpins a need for sex-specific nutritional strategies for male and female infants, in order to optimise their growth and development. Experimental and limited clinical observations that maternal HM composition changes dependent on male or female sex, support this hypothesis'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6165076/

This.

Selected quotes from
https://gpifn.org.uk/galactagogues/ (don't get me started on why the image on this page is of a man.. skin to skin supports the production of milk in the female body through the interaction of female hormones... )

'Considerations regarding prescribing a galactagogue therefore should include ensuring a feeding assessment and relevant non-drug measures to increase milk supply have been attempted first.. ' (em... perhaps attempting feeding by a female..)

'The maximum treatment duration should not usually exceed one week. ' (so not a medium or long term option)

'There are no drugs currently licensed in the UK as galactagogues so prescribing for this purpose is off-label.'

These measures are rarely available to women who are biologically designed to give birth and suckle their young,, who are given inadequate support and often end up giving formula because they have no other options available to them.