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Andrew Miller child abduction: Remarkably clear reporting

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NyanBinaryJohn · 18/05/2023 10:17

Remarkably clear reporting from the BBC.

Man, dressed as woman, in process of transition, called he/him throughout the article. I thought that transition was covered in the IPSO guidelines about using pronouns, but I am really glad to see that they stuck to his original pronouns.

Is the tide turning?

Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429

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nauticant · 18/05/2023 11:03

Just reported on Radio 4. The report was in terms of him being a he and being Andrew Miller, but at the end of the report they stated that he also went by a feminine name and that he was in the process of transitioning.

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NyanBinaryJohn · 18/05/2023 11:01

But the fact that the court refuse to use his transition name (rare, especially in Scotland, they normally use preferred names and pronouns regardless of a GRC) and the BBC factually reporting it (unheard of) is a massive change from what we've been seeing in the last few years.

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yetanotherusernameAgain · 18/05/2023 10:57

The BBC article says he appeared in court as Andrew Miller and was addressed that way throughout

This. So no, the tide isn't turning. If he'd appeared as 'Amy George' and claimed to be a TW, then presumably it would have been 'she' and 'her' throughout the article.

TiptoeThroughTheToadstools · 18/05/2023 10:43

The BBC article says he appeared in court as Andrew Miller and was addressed that way throughout so I guess that's why they have reported it that way. But I think regardless of that, they have reported factually, he is a man. Its important that the public understand there are lots of men out there who are using the trans gravy boat to access women and children.

Tallisker · 18/05/2023 10:39

See what you did there, cake, that is awesome 🤩 Shenanigans indeed

IcakethereforeIam · 18/05/2023 10:35

I don't understand the BBC's thinking. This particular pervert has been living 'as a woman' for much longer than Isla claimed to be, and using a female name. It smacks of rank hypocrisy. I would like to see their justification. I think they go their fingers burned with Isla, having previously referred to him as 'a woman' and 'her', they couldn't back track when it all blew up. With this guy, they got ahead of it. Forewarned by the Isla debacle there's no backtracking to do. I don't think they've changed, this case is too high profile for them to try their shenanigans and it involved a child.

CaveMum · 18/05/2023 10:34

As was said on another thread, what does it mean to be in the process of transition? I thought we were meant to take people at their word at the moment they declare themselves to be of either sex and we should instantly refer to them in that way? So is he trans or not BBC?

BillyNighysWife · 18/05/2023 10:32

This item really stood out to me in the website. Real, factual reporting. Well done BBC.

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NyanBinaryJohn · 18/05/2023 10:30

I see it as trans people are trans people until they are criminals.

So not acceptance without exception then.

Excellent. We're getting somewhere. They keep on contradicting themselves and it's fabulously helpful of them.

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Chersfrozenface · 18/05/2023 10:30

Has there been an editorial decision? Such as, if no official change of name then use legal name plus "also known as" for any other or preferred name.

Or is it just that this individual has only given one, male, name to the authorities and been charged under it, and has not demanded to be referred to as female?

Or does rapist gender take masculine pronouns? A linguistic conundrum.

lifeturnsonadime · 18/05/2023 10:26

I see it as trans people are trans people until they are criminals.

A great way to reduce the stats of the number of transwomen who commit crimes is to deny they are trans.

Hagosaurus · 18/05/2023 10:24

Let’s start with the easy bit, people who attack other people should NEVER be allowed to obscure their identity by hiding behind pronouns. Well done BBC

Helleofabore · 18/05/2023 10:24

So we are no longer believing people are who they say they are?

There was never anything ever going to be wrong with that mantra, was there? Hmm It was always a chapter out of an abuser’s manual.

risefromyourgrave · 18/05/2023 10:18

Either that or they don’t want to be mean about transwomen so try and distance it a bit…

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