Sorority house ... inevitable

Can we not victim-blame this group of young women, who have been gaslit and pressured by society and older people, who should know better, and who have still found the courage to speak out?

I read the same thing in news reports. It sounds as if there were ample ways they should have declined to admit the person, and instead they made special exceptions to their own rules so that they could admit the person. The women were locked in to lease agreements and would have been out of pocket for significant money if they had moved out, so they were really stuck in the situation where they were subjected to the inappropriate behavior. This seems like a case where the refusal to acknowledge the reality of sex has had a material negative effect on female-bodied people, so I am curious to see how it plays out in the legal world. If the sorority is not held liable for breach of contract, I think it essentially says it's game over for women's bodily privacy here.

There has also been an acquittal of a transwoman who disrobed in the women's locker room in Ohio and that was based on the failure to prove anyone saw male genitals. However the question of whether female-bodied people were viewed in the nude, without their consent, by a male-bodied person, was not addressed; leaving that concern out of news reports implies that women have no right not to be viewed by male-bodied people when we access public facilities, even when such facilities are officially sex-segregated for the purpose of allowing people who need to disrobe, to do so away from the opposite sex.

so true

That's a courageous group of young women. Well done them.

I'm actually amazed the sorority couldn't find a more photogenic/appealing test case. Or one who at least met the grade requirements. Or at the very least, one who could keep his hands off his dick. This guy is such an obvious example of someone who shouldn't be there. Or is this what you select for, when you select for men who want to invade women's spaces against their will?

If I was quietly gender critical and wanted to peak a woke university, this is probably how I would go about it.

My fear exactly. Democrats need to get their heads out of their asses or we are looking at a future Casino-Gilhead-Wild West.

It continued: 'Langford repeatedly questioned the women about what vaginas look like, breast cup size, whether women were considering breast reductions and birth control'.
He was reportedly supposed to leave the party by 10pm but stayed until midnight and returned the next morning where he reportedly stood in the corner watching the girls change out of their pajamas.

Leadership reportedly told members that if they have any issues with Langford then they can 'drop out'.
One member even said that she was called a 'bigot and a transphobe' for not wanting to shower and sleep with Langford in the same area.
They told the National Review: 'It's an awful situation to be in. It's scary, not knowing if I'm going to transfer out of the school next semester.'

This is why Trump will get in.

This young person could not get near a Kappa house or a Kappa woman on any campus as a man because they would be seen as overweight and unattractive and will
be unable attract any of those girls….so they have created a new identity allowing them direct access to a world they most certainly would be excluded from. Kappa house is absolutely dependent on fees so if every parent of every kappa refuses to pay their fees (which on some campus are $$$k) the house will fold. Panhellenic council will not pay for the house. A nick name for the house is visa visa Mastercard because it’s stereotyped as a sorority of daughters of wealthy and influential families and those families pay the dues.

I'm wondering if the society who barged this policy thru broke open a case of Bud Light to toast such a marvellous moment for human rights, whilst prancing about, falling backwards in their Nike Bras, laughing and joking as they dabbed on their Maybelline after?

As ever, the consequences of shitty decision making is felt by people who didn't make the decision.
I'm sorry for the young women who have been made to feel violated and uncomfortable. Not sorry for the squirming and back pedalling/doubling down that those higher up are doing now.

clearly The young women were put under unreasonable pressure and the rules set for this male applicant were inconsistent with the normal sorority selection rules. However, the women could have shown spine and voted against him — albeit not anonymously. Hence, as I said, I hope they will have learned a valuable lesson about the importance of speaking up at the time an injustice is committed, rather than just meekly go along and hope for the best.

He might have been “eligible” but the members did not have to vote to admit him.

They kind of did, if you listen to them tell their stories. Older members of the sorority were knocking on people's doors to make sure that they'd voted and telling anyone who might consider voting against him that their values weren't compatible with the sorority's and they should leave - a message passed down from the national head office of the sorority. The vote wasn't anonymous - a special exceptional procedure for this guy, as the process is normally anonymous. They also seemed to have waived the grade requirement as a special exceptional procedure for the male "sorority sister."

I'm actually amazed the sorority couldn't find a more photogenic/appealing test case. Or one who at least met the grade requirements. Or at the very least, one who could keep his hands off his dick. This guy is such an obvious example of someone who shouldn't be there. Or is this what you select for, when you select for men who want to invade women's spaces against their will?

It's much easier to be progressive when it's someone else's rights and safety you are giving away for virtue points.

The people who fixed the election by making it impossible for members to vote against weren’t the people who were going to have to live with him.

Those women are very brave speaking out

i mean its a shame i even have to say that…but they are very brave

I just love it how the whole Animal House ethos was effectively rightly de-legitimised over a few decades, now re-introduced in the last few years, and lauded by polite society.

He might have been “eligible” but the members did not have to vote to admit him. According to the article, they didn’t want to appear to be anti-trans so yielded to pressure. Good lesson for them to learn.

They were pressured into doing it and the way of voting was changed. I think there were threats that if they refused him they would be transphobic and might lose their place in the sorority.

It's an absolute shit show.

They were being pressured,.and the voting was not anonymous.

By the way, Meghan Markle was a member of the same sorority (at a different university, but it is a national organisation) so perhaps someone will contact her to ask for a statement.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4774232-suing-the-sorority-that-accepted-a-transgender-woman
there was a previous chat about this in March.
The problem was he covered all the rules but being male wasn’t against their rules. They were trying to get him out for not getting good enough grades.

What were the members of the sorority thinking when they voted to admit a male student?!?! Were they being naively woke and just didn’t think through the implications? ie “gold star for KKG sorority for being so accepting as to admit a man” but it didn’t cross their minds he might want to do as all sorority members have a right to do and actually live in the house?

Love this 😂

Thank GOD for red marker pen. I'd never have guessed.

That was my very first thought too.

Maybe they were impersonating one of those "Only a genius can find the gorilla in under 90 seconds stories."