Sorority house ... inevitable

No worries Zelda.
Just prompted me to clarify.
I agree, it is awful. But so awful, I think it's another line crossed, so far, that its got the attention of a wider group of people.

Ah, apologies, my bad. The whole thing is awful - imo stage managed to demonstrate how "progressive" and "inclusive" they are despite the impact on the women or transwoman involved.

And proving that women are no longer allowed to have anything for themselves.

I know Zelda. I posted the video as it was only released on YouTube yesterday, and the channel is long established with a huge following.
TG presents a factual and wry breakdown of the case and an unequivocal opinion on the outcome- and I'm not sure he has weighed in so strongly if much on this area previously.
The comments are all either shocked about the outcome of the case, or express graitude and relief for TG covering it. The fact the outcome is so outrageous, I think indicates that this particular case could be the sunlight and shift needed in the US. Similar to the Bryson case here.
Lots of suggestions in the comments for him to cover other cases such as Bryson and Yaniv.
(I hope he does!)
The fact that the video comes from someone respected as objective and outside of the debate feels hopeful to me.

I'm sorry but they lost their case. The judge said it was up to the sorority, as a private club, to decide who was or wasn't eligible. He didn't seem to address the vote coercion allegations and explicitly said he would not engage with the question "what is a woman?" 😞

@RealityFan The worst case of that for me was that Vermont school basketball team who forfeited a match rather than play against a male on the opposite team. Not only were they banned from competitions with other schools but so was the entire school - so every single child in a sports team/activity group in the school. I mean fair play to the school for standing by their principles but it must be so so hard to do when not only are you punished but everyone connected to you is. Especially when these are children. Especially when (not in the Vermont case) the adults/teachers are actively against you making a stand.

For school sports especially it has to come from the grownups in charge (male or female). Expecting literal children to take it on alone is so cruel.

This story has just made it to Dr Todd Grande's very popular (1.3mil viewers) channel.
Comments are encouraging too.
Could be USA Isla moment?

Ugh sorry for triple post!

This is quite encouraging. Read the comments as well. A surprising absence of people being called TERFS and NAZIS and people validating the womens’ feelings:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM2doyg6U/

This is quite encouraging. Read the comments as well. A surprising absence of people being called TERFS and NAZIS and people validating the womens’ feelings:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM2doyg6U/

This is quite encouraging. Read the comments as well. A surprising absence of people being called TERFS and NAZIS and people validating the womens’ feelings:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM2doyg6U/

Yes, very probably. I think it’s mainly Alabama rush videos I’ve seen and I suspect that’s probably a very white college full stop. Good to know that there’s other sororities with better representation. But my comments on being overweight and ungroomed would still stand. 😁

QuintanaRoo: just to clarify (though not directly relevant to this discussion) the videos you have seen presumably are of the historically “white” sororities. There are also some very strong historically “black” sororities. The best known is, I think, Alpha Kappa Alpha (of which VP Kamala Harris was/is a member).

The only surprise is it hasn't happened sooner. Where else can they get a chance to join in with pillow fights?

It's says in the article that a number of women have already left the sorority over this and now there are only 8 members. If the court case fails they could all leave and then it would be a sorority of one. Or a fraternity of one. That might send a better message to HO. Fine, let men in, but you can't have it both ways.

One thing which annoys me about this is that sorieties are so picky about who they let in that if a woman looked as ungroomed as he does she would never have been allowed in. I seem to have an awful lot of soriety and “rushing” videos in my tiktok feed. They are nearly without exception white, majority are blonde, very well groomed, 100% slim.

If a female turned up overweight, with a greasy, straggly Bob and a beanie hat they’d be laughed out the door.

The last few years have certainly changed my perspective on sororities - a place for women to gather and live together seems pretty important. I looked at a few links last night and they certainly seem to talk about becoming more diverse, although perhaps too inclusive in this instance.

What happened to the all-female university colleges that were around in the UK?

Where's Willy?

I don’t think it is “victim blaming” to ask why the young women didn’t push back against the process. Clearly, the sorority management was wrong to push for a positive vote. But university students — who are capable of organising protests for a wide range of issues — should have had the confidence to push back against a distant HQ. I am glad they have found the confidence now and hope they succeed in their lawsuit.
As an aside, as others have pointed out, the students are not necessarily privileged and wealthy. Being a member of a sorority does involve some costs beyond a normal university food plan (or housing plan), but not out of reach for those who work during term time, as many/most US university students do.

Except that a woman wouldn't do it in the first place.

I'm guilty as a guy of lazily saying to females that the solution is in their hands, you don't like it so do something about it.

I really regret my brainless words, because just like Riley Gaines and the Penn State Uni female swimming team, the female cyclists humiliated by Austin Killips, and umpteen other examples, there is no feasible way for the girls at this college to fight back or not comply even if they wanted to.

The blame is not with them. It's with the shameful adults and elites who are not only happy with humiliating these girls by forcing them to allow a male predator to share their space, but likely threatening them with cancelling their future of they speak up.

I've been to Laramie, the university town in Wyoming, and while the state is indeed beautiful and the people friendly, there's not a lot going on in this town (pop of entire state of Wyoming is 583,279), so I imagine these sororities provide these young women a lot of their social activity, entertainment and friendships. Wyoming is nothing like California, South Carolina or Alabama, so you don't have the debutante, wealthy family money southern belle culture often negatively portrayed in sororities. This particular sorority house in Wyoming is a simple bauhaus brick structure that looks like a 70s dormitory vs. the antebellum historical mansions you'll find for sororities in the South.

I never attended a sorority myself, but I feel these women need extra context because I don't see them as ultra privileged elitists at all.

It’s like playing Where’s Wally isn’t it? Except a lot easier.

So utterly sad yet predicable that these young women are having to go through this utter shit show.

It seemed to be a coerced vote and certainly not ‘free choice’.

These are now brave young women speaking out.

Indeed and let's remember that these wealthy white young women have grown up being told that they are the problem, that they are weaponising their femininity and their white woman tears and whatever the fuck else they'd got. It's a fairly delicious irony that daddy's money is funding a lawsuit to stop this nonsense.

The whole point of a sorority (from where I'm sitting) is compliance. We think the same, we do the same, we act and believe the same. They're in a prime position to be gaslit.