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Clear distinction between DQ performances for consenting adults and inappropriate sexualised performances in front of children.

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Brisland · 16/05/2023 00:47

While scrolling through, I happened upon this clip - Megyn Kelly discussing why drag performers are inappropriate and unacceptable around children.

I wish all those who think it is harmless, creative and joyful fun for children would listen, as she sums up the motive, result and reality of the damage to children very starkly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-_fAOaQuZg

Megyn Kelly Fires Back at Those Critical of Her Drag Queen Comments, and the Reality of "Grooming"

Megyn Kelly begins the show by discussing the backlash she’s receiving for comments made on Friday’s show about Charlize Theron and drag queens, the differen...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-_fAOaQuZg

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JaneBeyre · 17/05/2023 08:25

SinnerBoy I know. Bit of an own goal that article - let us near your kids or we'll end you.

Er, no thanks.

Brisland · 17/05/2023 06:47

Continuing the film classification analogy - isn’t that exactly what was stipulated as the point of the thread?

That the performance of drag for consenting adults who can opt in to viewing the explicit and more covert sexual behaviours is absolutely acceptable for those who wish to avail themselves of that type of exhibitionism. (ie. Adults only).
There needs to be, however, a clear and unequivocal separation of that scenario as opposed to any of the drag Queen sexual innuendo/behaviour/costuming/nudity/etc/etc being performed anywhere near children? (ie. G or Children’s rating)

The very concept of drag queens is sexual & performative/exaggerated - and that is not suitable around children. I quite simply do not understand either the drag queens themselves who WANT to be around children when their whole persona is about sex, nor the parents who ALLOW their children to be exposed to such sexually explicit performances.

I don’t care if any consenting adult wants to be entertained by drag queens - they are welcome to it, it isn’t any of my business. I do care about impressionable children who can be significantly damaged by being exposed to such sexual material at a developmental stage where they are not ready to process it properly.

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FrancescaContini · 17/05/2023 06:37

PoorOldHorse · 16/05/2023 18:03

How come drag performers aren't clamouring to perform in care homes and retirement villages? Always places with children, oddly enough...

Yes, quite 🤔

NecessaryScene · 17/05/2023 06:01

I don't have to demonstrate benefit to children from going to see the Super Mario movie - all that is needed is to establish that the film is not harmful to children (established via the rating system) and anything after that is a decision for parents.

Interesting example, because there is no rating system in place for these men and their performances.

If there was, and the rating board did their job, and somehow it was possible to compel them to not vary their performances, then I suspect the problem would be largely solved.

But what we have here is letting any random man turn up with his homemade production and stick it on, with glib reassurances of "oh yes, this is family-friendly!"

So it's weird for you to try to justify an uncontrolled system by showing a well-working controlled one. In the film analogy you need to be defending the right to show groups of child any unrated movie if you want to, not your right to take them along to a PG one.

Grimchmas · 17/05/2023 05:41

Funnily enough, TW who want to express dissatisfaction at women do so through violent threats, too.

SinnerBoy · 17/05/2023 01:12

So, drag queens wish brutal deaths upon people who don't want them twerking in front of their children. Well, that's me convinced that they are great and the best thing since microwave ovens!

crunchermuncher · 17/05/2023 00:59

So, people that disagree are 'mouthbreathers' and 'cry after masturbation' ( nice bit of casual sexualisation there).

And will incur 'razor sharp glitter and deadly death drops'.

What happened to rational discussion?

TheBiologyStupid · 17/05/2023 00:51

JaneBeyre · 16/05/2023 13:11

Notbadconsidering

Good question. I can't see a benefit. I have come across some fluffy talk about rainbow families but it's so much murkier now, I really don't understand why it's so important to these people. I mean, there's clearly a huge amount of opposition. Why keep pushing it? And why threaten people who say they don't want it, as this self proclaimed drag defender obsessively does?

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/drag-queens-are-the-latest-and-most-fabulous-targets-in-the-culture-wars-bigots-have-made-a-huge-mistake/

Oh FFS!

I don’t want to exaggerate, but I believe that is braver and tougher than fighting in one of those trench wars from the past.

So, knowing all this, I can only watch in bafflement, in pitying bemusement, as a loose coalition of bed wetters, mouth breathers, and people who cry after masturbation have decided to attack drag queens all around the world. You poor fools, you tiny gormless dickheads, you do not know the storm of razor-sharp glitter and deadly death-drops you have called down upon yourselves.

This really is a catastrophising ideology for which no hyperbole is too much. "Tougher and braver than fighting in the trenches" my arse!

Pudmyboy · 16/05/2023 22:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2023 19:04

Should we ban Daniel Radcliffe?

Fine by me! Grin

Yes please!!!

AnyFucker · 16/05/2023 22:15

Should we ban Daniel Radcliffe?

Yes, he can fuck off too.

JaneBeyre · 16/05/2023 20:37

Hiding in plain sight, always the most cunning move.
Not to mention I bet they are never asked for any kind of police clearance because too special and discrimination.

SirChenjins · 16/05/2023 20:33

PoorOldHorse · 16/05/2023 18:03

How come drag performers aren't clamouring to perform in care homes and retirement villages? Always places with children, oddly enough...

It’s really odd - it’s almost like they’re purposely seeking out places specifically for children and then trying to normalise their behaviour. ‘Come along children, nothing to be frightened of, see what a lovely man I am, just wanting to play games with you and have some fun…’

We’ve seen it all before.

bellinisurge · 16/05/2023 19:39

Woman in Black is fucking scary. No child should see it. It's called parenting.
Don't expose your child to mind mangling terror. Don't expose your kid to blokes who dress up as sexualised parodies of women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2023 19:22

Agree these men are not any kind of role model for girls, in particular.

nepeta · 16/05/2023 19:20

Drag queens are parodying what being an adult female human being might be. Nobody is parodying, at this level, or to children, what parodying being an adult male human being might be.

This is the difference, whatever other benefits some believe drag queen performances might have. Yet it is now the progressives who promote the ridiculing of the female sex, one half of all human beings, and those who oppose this are seen as right-wingers.

I think the progressives and trans activists who promote drag queen performances for children should own up to this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2023 19:04

Should we ban Daniel Radcliffe?

Fine by me! Grin

StephanieSuperpowers · 16/05/2023 19:01

Somebodiesmother · 16/05/2023 18:09

Lots of parents gave their kids nightmares by letting their children see The Woman in Black because it had Daniel Radcliffe in it. Should we ban Daniel Radcliffe?

Christ, that's just absolutely idiotic. You know you don't have to say such ridiculous things. If you agree that what was shown in the picture is wrong, say so. It's free! But silly misdirection only makes you look completely disingenuous.

WickedSerious · 16/05/2023 18:17

Somebodiesmother · 16/05/2023 18:09

Lots of parents gave their kids nightmares by letting their children see The Woman in Black because it had Daniel Radcliffe in it. Should we ban Daniel Radcliffe?

Well,since you asked so nicely.........

Somebodiesmother · 16/05/2023 18:09

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 16/05/2023 12:24

There was a drag convention recently that parents brought their kids to in LA, it doesn't look like a place kids should be to me. This is the trouble with normalising drag for kids.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1657872257409257472

Lots of parents gave their kids nightmares by letting their children see The Woman in Black because it had Daniel Radcliffe in it. Should we ban Daniel Radcliffe?

PoorOldHorse · 16/05/2023 18:03

How come drag performers aren't clamouring to perform in care homes and retirement villages? Always places with children, oddly enough...

DemiColon · 16/05/2023 17:17

BenCoopersSupportWren · 16/05/2023 17:04

If DQSH were truly about the positives of "being different" and "providing imaginative role models" then we'd also have Male Nurse Story Hour, Female Firefighter Story Hour, Woman in STEM Story Hour, Wheelchair User Story Hour, Visually Impaired Person Story Hour (read in Braille), Out Butch Lesbian Story Hour and so on. But we never do, do we? It's always fucking drag.

And honestly, those would be kind of lame programs. Kids don't care and probably won't remember that they had a male nurse read them a story.

I asked a friend of mine who was into this kind of thing how he would feel about something promoted as "Jewish Story Time" or "Male story time" or even "black person story time" - He said no, of course not.

The underlying problem is this bizarre idea that somehow it is the job of libraries to be pushing certain social justice causes in their programming, rather than giving access and exposure to literature and information in a fairly politically and socially neutral way.

Or that children need to be artificially introduced to all these groups of people, and have it pointed out to them in some way that these individuals belong to specific groups. Rather than meeting all kinds of people just be going about life, and meeting them as themselves rather than representatives of some identity group.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 16/05/2023 17:04

If DQSH were truly about the positives of "being different" and "providing imaginative role models" then we'd also have Male Nurse Story Hour, Female Firefighter Story Hour, Woman in STEM Story Hour, Wheelchair User Story Hour, Visually Impaired Person Story Hour (read in Braille), Out Butch Lesbian Story Hour and so on. But we never do, do we? It's always fucking drag.

SirChenjins · 16/05/2023 16:26

Fucking hell - grooming in plain sight 🤬

turbonerd · 16/05/2023 16:09

ResisterRex · 16/05/2023 14:54

With the Teletubbies, apparently. And this:

twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1657872918184087553?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

"A girl in a stroller at the Los Angeles drag and sex convention sits next to a large pink dildo that doubles as a drink container with a straw."

Holy mackerel.

That is not good. Not good, I tell you.

StephanieSuperpowers · 16/05/2023 15:07

I'm sure @TeaKlaxon will be able to explain why that's fine if you understand it properly.