Judy Blume & Dylan Mulvaney

If only Budweiser and Nike were run by teenage girls. Imagine the meeting where some rightoner (from my own teenage vernacular) came up with the Bra Idea. Our eyes would have been rolling like fruit machines.

Girls know when they are being mocked.

Yes. Only if their instinctive response to that has been fucked by 'bekindandinclusive' they can question their own self protective reflexes by buying the bullshit hype.

Mine don't and neither do their friends. My DD13 and DD 18 can't stand Dylan and wish he'd go away.

We live in a progressive area and their friends parents are all liberals of some sort. Girls know when they are being mocked.

Nothing wishywashy about DM. Think Violet Kray meets Dame Joan for tone and intent.

My DM would not be so bloody fucking wishy washy conciliatory. In fact plenty of older women, while admittedly perhaps not conversant with TikTok trends, would respond more robustly to a 28 yo male attempting to discuss periods and breast enlargement in girls approaching puberty.

Why thank you @ArabeIIaScott, I do indeed feel as though I have been catapulted via the gins of time to this point.

The only thing I can say, is that I'm trying to imagine my DM (same age as Judy) sitting with a straight face through such a conversation without saying "but Dear, aren't you a little unlikely to have a period?"

Also, why did you marry Ari Onassis, and aren't you dead?

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Also, not having one myself, do today's teenage girls think that DM is "one of them"?

Welcome to 2023, Vitriol.

Gin actually helps, tbh.

What in the world did I just join TikTok and watch

Judy Blume talking to Jackie O's ghost about Margaret?

Have I lived too long? Have I been on the gin? That's some super-weird shit.

To be fair, we often do see, here and in other commentary spaces, TRAs express sentiments along the lines of "who cares what a bunch of old people think, the younger generations aren't bigotted like you. You will all be dead soon anyway". It's spiced with different degrees of "dried up", "jealous", "hag" on so depending on how acceptable blatant misogyny is in that particular forum.

So if someone is spending a lot of time in circles where that is the accepted wisdom, or places a lot of weight on TRA perspectives, I can see one might well encounter the type of marginalisation, dismissal and othering Creme describes.

I'm sure you're against the vitriol of the trans rights activists then.

It's clearly not her opinion though
Why isn't it? Asked her directly, know her personally, do you and she told you that she was being forced to say what she says?

I wish I'd known about Judy Blume in the 70's, when I needed her, or someone like her, with the books she wrote at the time, promoting body confidence in girls etc., but having just watched DM's Twitter video, interviewing JB, I'm so disappointed, to say the least. I'm old enough and wise enough now to know BS when I hear or see it, but if I were a young teenage girl I'd have been more confused than ever having watched that clip. My heart sinks. Such sad times we're living in.

I don't consider myself old at all, that was kind of the point - that just because you're older, means you don't know what you're on about, and can't possibly be thinking for yourself which is often implied on here, including this thread.

@CremeEggQueen do you understand that people are expressing their own opinions here? Thinking someone is a coward is a valid opinion. No one is asking you to agree or think it's reasonable. People are not immune from criticism because they support your personal ideology.

Pathetic coward, just for having a different opinion to you?
I honestly don't get thr vitriol flung at people who don't think the same, we're not all the same person, we'll have different opinions!

Bwahahaha. Judy Blume is of ripe Medicare age. She has the right to government-administered Healthcare.

I'm knocking on for 50 and its fucking insulting to be told that because you're old, it must be because you're being made to think what you do, that you can't possibly have your own opinion, etc.....

By the way, I'm nearly 47. I don't remotely consider myself old, nor have I ever encountered the opinions or views you seem to have.

Why do you see yourself as old when you are not? 🤔

Would it occur to you to read my posts in full?

It just is factually the case that someone in their 80s is unlikely to have a full grasp on trans issues. (How could they? I'm a similar age to you & it's bewildering).

It isn't ageist to say that - any more than it might be ageist to say octogenarians will likely have more health issues than 20 year-olds 🤷🏻‍♀️

I also went on to say as so much of DM's schtick is propagated via SM, especially TikTok, most people that age would have no awareness of DM, as was evidenced by JB's response to the question about TikTok

Disagree all you want but at least try to make sense.

Oh grow up! How is it either of those things to state the obvious? That an 85 year old woman might be less aware of the trans agenda & how depraved it has become as well as utterly defying logic?
Because it is infantilising and ageist to assume that just because you're older, you're less aware of trans people, and trans issues.
I'm knocking on for 50 and its fucking insulting to be told that because you're old, it must be because you're being made to think what you do, that you can't possibly have your own opinion, etc.....
Grow up? No. Shan't. 😁

I think Blume is well enough aware of the trans agenda to have taken a stand in support of JK Rowling. That was very clear and forthright, and seems to have been offered unprompted in an interview with Hadley Freeman. Since then, she's been rowing back, presumably at the behest of her publishers or the film's publicists.

I can only assume the film/book people went apeshit when they realised what she'd said to Freeman and this is a fairly desperate attempt to repair what they imagine is her damaged reputation with young people.

I also assume that she is successful enough to say no if she wants to, so presumably she is prepared to sacrifice her own self-respect for the sake of the book and film sales. Fine. She's the one who has to live with herself.

Disappointing 🙁

I'm trying to make myself see DM as maybe trying to be some sort of Ali G figure, with a contemporary marketing schtick. And also without the cleverness and the humour. (I didn't find Ali G particularly clever or funny either but I know lots of people did.) But the image won't hang straight.