Hard to believe this isn’t parody

Well dds dad (my ex) constantly tells her she is beautiful - it is the only thing he ever compliments about her. Personally I feel this is sending her the message that it is the defining and only important part of herself. But he is a misogynistic prick so.

This. ^^

"I wish to use the support humans!"

Elsewhere on the site, the writer urges parents not to tell their daughters that they ‘have to be pretty’. Err, who does that??!

I like the first cartoonist RR. I particularly like that they're a female person who identifies as a man, but who has stopped taking testosterone and decided against surgery long ago. Testosterone gave them hair loss, a high sex drive and an inability to orgasm, which sounds pretty crap. They enjoy cartooning, astrology and tarot, no doubt among other things.

I hope at some point in the future they will find their way back to saying that they're a woman, without changing a single other thing about themselves. Tbh it's what I feel about all the young women I know that have found themselves squeezing down the restrictive gender alley.

I would post the Venn diagram, but it feels redundant. Using superficial similarities to claim that two politically opposed positions are actually identical is this decade’s Godwin’s Law.

Call it Mumsnet’s Law: as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of attributing an irrelevant or widely held opinion to a person with right-wing views (real or purported) and describing anyone who shares that opinion as a fascist approaches 100%.

Or perhaps we should call it the Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle-of-the-Road?

I see. Not User

User they specialise in cartoons that present a 'gotcha' that really isn't the gotcha that they think it is.

Tempted to bung those grifters a few quid. Not read the text, but from the 2 cartoons upthread I learned that:

People who share a protected characteristic can come in a variety of different presentations and hold different opinions

Women are capable of bonding with other women even when all of their opinions don't align.

Men can seek to erode women's boundaries.

Men can be entitled and aggressive when they don't get what they want.

Women are socialised to enable men.

Trans identities don't disrupt prior socialisation or stop people behaving in ways typical to their sex.

TRAs have no coherent arguments so when they're not force-teaming with genuine rights movements, they resort to methods beloved by the patriarchy such as public shaming of women.

The final frame seems to suggest its trans men/non-binaries who should be feeling guilty for taking advantage of the fact that they ARE allowed to use the women's loos and not showing enough solidarity to the excluded trans woman.

Oh is that what it was? I thought it was something about there not being any women anyway.

Theres also this cartoon:
What Trans-Exclusionary Feminism Really Looks Like - Everyday Feminism

Conveniently explaining that ugly, harpy like radical feminists actually have a lot in common with ugly Christian conservative women in unattractive clothing. (Apart from the fact that they are ummm.... biological women)

But I would still rather have coffee with either of them than many TRAs.

The final frame seems to suggest its trans men/non-binaries who should be feeling guilty for taking advantage of the fact that they ARE allowed to use the women's loos and not showing enough solidarity to the excluded trans woman. And overanalysing why they want to. Which ironically is the sort of thought process more commonly linked to female socialisation...

I'm confused. Were there any actual individuals who described themselves as women in that group?

I came across the bizarre suggestion the other day that gender identity believers think that, because of his inner feelings, he would somehow be immune to being raised as a boy. I can’t get my head around that at all. If you experience privilege and better treatment, it doesn’t matter if you feel confused about it , you have still experienced and benefitted. Nor were you subjected to the (often negative) experience of being a girl.

What did I just read? That is one of the most bizarre things I’ve come across thus far. How the heck can this person know what it is to be raised female?

Yes of course. Women listening to women? Outrageous. As Everyday Feminism states very clearly, we should be listening to men and obeying them.

Thanks for the tip-off, OP. I thought for a moment EF was a feminist site. Not after accessing the site and practically the first word so saw was the ludicrous “cis-women”!

It's very revealing.

"I want a place where I can be heard and supported by other women"

Shouty man demands access to women, who must act as his support humans regardless of whether or not they want him there.

"Just because I'm a man now"

...erm...

A lot can change in 8 years:

https://twitter.com/rritchiearts/status/1636709447958511616

Just to point out this is 8 years old...

And I am not huge on the argument about what matters is how you are raised - that’s a bit like there’s some inner essence created but my feminism is much more fundamental - XX is what counts.

That cartoon…literally it is completely accurate and right - yes, men are excluded and transmen could be. How they can call themselves everyday feminism and then think that makes an argument for feminist spaces needing to include transwoman I just cannot fathom!

Have you a link to the interesting take page on the author’s website please?

And I know that different socialisation of male and female children isn’t the principle reason for excluding men from women’s spaces, but it’s certainly a talking point for women when explaining the various arguments why men can never understand how it feels to be a woman.

Whatever his inner feelings, the rest of the world treated him as the male person they saw. If the boy was a feminine boy, he might have been poorly treated because of it, but he was still raised as a boy, with all the different expectations society has for those born male, compared to those born female.

I came across the bizarre suggestion the other day that gender identity believers think that, because of his inner feelings, he would somehow be immune to being raised as a boy. I can’t get my head round that at all. If you experience privilege and better treatment, it doesn’t really matter if you feel confused about it, you still experienced it and benefited. Nor were you subjected to the (often negative) experience of being a girl.

Confused thinking from gender activists shouldn’t surprise me, but the lack of logic still jars.

They're absolutely hilarious. I'll never forget their feature about how to navigate Christmas as a person of a higher social class than your partner.

It was all about how sad your partner would feel visiting your family because of all the nice food and comfortable furniture. You were to 'check in' with them to debrief their feelings and offering non judgemental support.

More organic turkey, Sheila?

WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH my FEEEEEEEEEELINGS

As a side observation they've ruined the word 'navigate' for the rest of us. It used to mean exciting Victorian expeditions, usually on a boat with interesting animals present. Now it means weeing your pants when faced with every form of ordinary human behaviour.

The author's website is interesting... they have their own take...

Can't help feeling relieved that Everyday Feminism is clearly close to shutting down, though probably because its worldview is now the approved US viewpoint so what's the point any more.

Exactly. 'Cis women being heard too much in feminist spaces' isn't quite the gotcha they think it is, is it. At the very most it is an attempt to guilt trip women into being kind.

You wouldn't try and get into a trans group by claiming 'trans people had too much say in trans spaces'. Or similar with any other protected characteristic. So why this is allowed to stand never does make much sense.