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US polling on 'trans' issues

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ArabeIIaScott · 11/05/2023 21:49

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/05/trans-poll-gop-politics-laws/

Good to read some polling from the states.

The majority of people in the US are against medical transitions for children. A majority don't believe its possible to change sex. A majority think that trans people deserve to be protected from discrimination. And a.majority think males should not compete in womens sports.

These views are somewhat oddly lumped together and described as 'anti trans' - I don't know what slant the Washington Post takes in general.

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Brisland · 17/05/2023 01:17

As per Twitter…
”Synthetic Sex Identity”
SSI

So, SSIM = Synthetic Sex Identity Mediators.

Pluvia · 16/05/2023 21:32

ArabeIIaScott · 13/05/2023 15:54

Change's polling of 1,208 voters was carried out between April 28 and May 2.

'In discussing the results, Change pollsters stressed that the public was wrong to oppose sex reassignment treatments for minors, and that they were on a mission to alter attitudes.
App, a Denver-based mom-of-three, including a 'gender creative first-grader,' said she was 'surprised by these findings' and the 'strong headwind' against doling out hormones to teens.'
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'Winning the argument, she said, involved changing language. 'Gender affirming care,' she said, was a 'great term that we should continue using' because it resonated with the public.
Not so for puberty blockers, she added.
'One of the key next steps is rebranding puberty blockers,' said App.
'This is a term that's not doing us any favors.''

So revealing. Thanks Arabella, great stuff.

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ArabeIIaScott · 16/05/2023 21:09

thefactsarefriendly · 16/05/2023 20:05

How about a tag line of "release the eunuch inside yourself"?

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'Search for the eunuch inside yourself'

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Pallisers · 16/05/2023 20:41

"Treatments for trans youth sometimes include hormone therapies, but not genital surgery, which guidelines generally say doctors should not provide until patients are 18."

Conveniently omitting a mention of breast removal for teenage girls which does happen.

This poll is fascinating. In it I see the majority of americans thinking exactly as I do about nearly every facet of this topic and yet there isn't a politician in the Democratic party that I know of who will agree with me. It is insanity.

For what it is worth, poll after poll shows the majority of americans want access to abortion and gun control. We don't get what we want simply because we are a majority. This juggernaut could roll on for quite a while yet.

thefactsarefriendly · 16/05/2023 20:05

PorcelinaV · 13/05/2023 19:14

Definitely need a rebranding for puberty blockers.

I suggest, "totally reversible pause pills, honest".

How about a tag line of "release the eunuch inside yourself"?

nilsmousehammer · 16/05/2023 19:41

Oh yes. 'Renewed', that was it. So much more positive than 'murdered'. Logan's Run.

nilsmousehammer · 16/05/2023 19:40

How was it again that they positively phrased murdering all adults over 30 to make it sound lovely and aspirational in that dystopian film?

You cannot 'educate' people into believing something is lovely and good when it isn't. Not outside of some tinpot dictatorship.

Genesis1v27 · 16/05/2023 19:37

Madeleine Kearns comments on the WaPo poll results:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/05/are-conservatives-winning-the-debate-on-transgenderism/

The article is behind a soft paywall and is on archive sites.

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ArabeIIaScott · 13/05/2023 19:28

Trying to think what they'll go for in the puberty blocking rebrand.

something positive.

'Breathing space treatment'
'body androgynisers'
'gender developers'

How does one make sterlisation of children sound wholesome and fun?

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CheeseTouch · 13/05/2023 19:26

Reading the comments in the Daily Mail article, has anyone else noticed something? …the right are framing this issue as support for the transitioning of children = politically left wing.

I’m not right wing but I agree with the majority on this issue.

PorcelinaV · 13/05/2023 19:14

Definitely need a rebranding for puberty blockers.

I suggest, "totally reversible pause pills, honest".

Delphinium20 · 13/05/2023 19:11

I'm not surprised by these polls as I read comments in the left-leaning NYTimes and the WaPo which shows readers haven't bought this for awhile now.

I'm pretty appalled at the Orwellian tactics of the Democrats who believe that softened language can win hearts and minds.

If you must resort to childish euphemisms to describe how doctors are damaging children's sexual health, what does that say about your policies?!?!

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ArabeIIaScott · 13/05/2023 19:07

Feckedupbundle · 13/05/2023 18:54

Interesting reading,thank you.

I do Yougov surveys and the last week,have had two with questions about attitudes to trans people. One was entirely about attitudes to Trans people and the other was general politics,but also had questions about TW in women's sports/ jails ect.
The questions were accurately explained so hopefully there'll be no confusion about what sex a trans woman actually is. I shall be interested to see the results.

Oooh, interesting to hear. look forward to reading those results!

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Feckedupbundle · 13/05/2023 18:54

Interesting reading,thank you.

I do Yougov surveys and the last week,have had two with questions about attitudes to trans people. One was entirely about attitudes to Trans people and the other was general politics,but also had questions about TW in women's sports/ jails ect.
The questions were accurately explained so hopefully there'll be no confusion about what sex a trans woman actually is. I shall be interested to see the results.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/05/2023 17:13

Winning the argument, she said, involved changing language.

Hasn't that been their whole modus operandi from the beginning. Insisting that words mean different things.

I don't think that's going too well for them now. Maybe try something different.

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ArabeIIaScott · 13/05/2023 16:05

Thanks for that, Corgi. Good to see the WaPo actually sharing this, if that's their usual stance.

The attitude seems to mirror roughly the UK's, too. Tolerance, compassionate, understanding, but with boundaries when it comes to women's safety and children getting medical treatment.

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RoyalCorgi · 13/05/2023 15:56

Thanks for sharing, OP. The Washington Post is a liberal newspaper and is generally pro-trans - hence the use of terms like "cis" and the ridiculous use of "assigned at birth" in the polling.

The survey is interesting for the consistency. There's a majority against men competing in women's sport and against giving medical treatments to children. There is also a majority across all age groups saying that sex is "assigned" at birth, which I take to mean that people think we remain the sex we are born, not the gender we may later identify with.

There is also a majority who support anti-discrimination laws for trans people.

Despite what the WP says, this isn't people being "anti trans". It's people exhibiting common sense.

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ArabeIIaScott · 13/05/2023 15:54

Change's polling of 1,208 voters was carried out between April 28 and May 2.

'In discussing the results, Change pollsters stressed that the public was wrong to oppose sex reassignment treatments for minors, and that they were on a mission to alter attitudes.
App, a Denver-based mom-of-three, including a 'gender creative first-grader,' said she was 'surprised by these findings' and the 'strong headwind' against doling out hormones to teens.'
...
'Winning the argument, she said, involved changing language. 'Gender affirming care,' she said, was a 'great term that we should continue using' because it resonated with the public.
Not so for puberty blockers, she added.
'One of the key next steps is rebranding puberty blockers,' said App.
'This is a term that's not doing us any favors.''

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ArabeIIaScott · 13/05/2023 15:51

Is it caring so little or is it actively wanting to harm them? At a certain point, I start to wonder.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/05/2023 15:39

And of course, it's the Mail reporting on this while presumably the Guardian & BBC are still involved in their own truth manipulation. 🙄

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/05/2023 15:38

Wow @Genesis1v27 . That article. I thought what was revealed in the Denton's project sinister but that polling group is appalling.
How on earth can people care so little about children?

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ArabeIIaScott · 13/05/2023 15:27

'In the online session, lead pollster Betsy App called the results 'bad news,' saying the team would struggle to 'educate' the public about sex-reassignment for kids. She said it was time for 'rebranding puberty blockers' with a less-divisive term.

'I want to give us all a reality check,' App told the online session.
'We are facing an uphill battle when it comes to voters' fundamental beliefs about the relationship between sex and gender.''

That's par for the course, isn't it. If the evidence doesn't support your agenda, suppress it.

What's the phrase about using stats like a drunk man uses a lamp-post?

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ArabeIIaScott · 12/05/2023 18:30

Thanks, yes that's useful to read too.

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Bosky · 12/05/2023 18:28

Oops! I think that is a different survey!