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Oxford Students Union servers ties with Oxford Union

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Apollo441 · 11/05/2023 00:53

For inviting 'notorious transphobe' Kathleen Stock to speak.

They are unable to debate her as their ideas are based on nothing so all they can do is throw their toys our of the pram. Utter imbeciles.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e027959a-ee80-11ed-87b0-716b9284a2b0?shareToken=1591551c2ac2d9a79c7ee4b39589f116

Students sever ties with Oxford Union amid Kathleen Stock talk

In its 200-year history as a prestigious debating chamber the Oxford Union has hosted world-famous speakers including Mother Theresa, Albert Einstein and Desmo

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e027959a-ee80-11ed-87b0-716b9284a2b0?shareToken=1591551c2ac2d9a79c7ee4b39589f116

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FisherthemsFriend · 11/05/2023 10:10

I’m intrigued by the description of KS as an “unreliable transphobe”. Surely if you can’t rely on her always being transphobic they would see that as a good thing? Or is it more difficult, because they can’t always tell when she’s being transphobic? Or she unreliable because she’s not likely to turn up? Again you’d think they’d view that as a good thing, because then they wouldn’t have to try and cancel her. Baffling.

NothingTraLaLa · 11/05/2023 10:08

When I was there most people generally avoided anyone involved with either OUSU or the Oxford Union as they tended to be a bit Slytherin.

It was also a certain type of person who attended JCR meetings, so I wouldn’t assume that statements put out by a JCR are particularly representative of the views of most students in that college.

Cooroo · 11/05/2023 09:54

I'm reading Matthew Syed's Rebel Ideas and he has a good chapter on echo chambers. The point being that in an echo chamber you DO see the opposing ideas but they are labelled fake news, hate speech etc.

Shelefttheweb · 11/05/2023 09:42

So could afford a discrimination case against OSU?

DrBlackbird · 11/05/2023 09:42

determinedtomakethiswork · 11/05/2023 07:47

How would that work in a seminar then? I'm just trying to imagine them all saying no sorry we're not going to discuss this because I disagree with it.

The shock is not the students who you might reasonably expect to form opinions on hearsay without reading the book.

It’s the four Oxford colleges issuing statements criticising Professor Stock with an ad hominem attack apparently not having read any of her material themselves.

What hope for the students when their lecturers and academic leadership demonstrate such a shocking lack of commitment to informed and educated debate?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/05/2023 08:49

The OU’s latest accounts show it had an income of £1.53 million last year but an expenditure of almost £1.5 million.

crikey. Sounds like they’re in the black though. I must admit to being woefully ignorant about the OU. I wonder what they do that soaks up that kind of cash annually?

timetorefresh · 11/05/2023 08:10

Just bought her book on kindle. Free advertising

Shelefttheweb · 11/05/2023 08:09

TullyHart · 11/05/2023 08:05

Thanks for the share token.

This one is interesting because the students who have voted for this genuinely believe that what Ms Stock is representing is the equivalent of the KKK. The issue is their inability to separate this untrue belief from the reality. In other words complete lack of fact checking and critical thinking. But done with absolute righteousness in the belief that their actions are proportionate and necessary. What a mess.

And based totally on discrimination against a protected belief

TullyHart · 11/05/2023 08:05

Thanks for the share token.

This one is interesting because the students who have voted for this genuinely believe that what Ms Stock is representing is the equivalent of the KKK. The issue is their inability to separate this untrue belief from the reality. In other words complete lack of fact checking and critical thinking. But done with absolute righteousness in the belief that their actions are proportionate and necessary. What a mess.

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 11/05/2023 07:55

Most SUs are nothing short of scams anyway. Working for the students is all a fallacy and you have the sabbatical officers doing vanity projects that never really get off the ground.

OU need to take legal advice on this.

MoltenLasagne · 11/05/2023 07:53

determinedtomakethiswork · 11/05/2023 07:47

How would that work in a seminar then? I'm just trying to imagine them all saying no sorry we're not going to discuss this because I disagree with it.

Pretty sure that is how it works.

You take a book you've never read, assume its content based on third party reviews, claim it is literal violence and refuse to read it, oh and never take any responsibility for your own actions.

Shelefttheweb · 11/05/2023 07:53

Now Oxford Union should take Oxford Student Union to court for clear discrimination due to a protected belief.

determinedtomakethiswork · 11/05/2023 07:47

How would that work in a seminar then? I'm just trying to imagine them all saying no sorry we're not going to discuss this because I disagree with it.

cosmiccosmos · 11/05/2023 07:43

And this is supposed to be where the brightest students go .....

Mmmmm, hopefully they'll grow up and some point and realise, shock horror 😱, that some people say things you don't like but normal adults understand that we are all different have different view points, perhaps they need to teach this at Oxford?

MrGHardy · 11/05/2023 07:20

How embarrassing.

Helleofabore · 11/05/2023 06:55

Gosh. The Oxford Union won’t uninvite Dr Stock so the student Union cuts financial support, based on the SU claims the OU has a culture of bullying .

You couldn’t make it look like the SU was more hypocritical, could you? Do the SU understand how their coercive tactics highlight an abusive relationship?

TheBiologyStupid · 11/05/2023 01:26

I guess the Oxford Students Union has clearly signalled its "No debate" credentials by severing ties with one of the leading student debate forums. What does that say about the strength of their arguments, I wonder.

TheBiologyStupid · 11/05/2023 01:22

Excellent response from Kathleen Stock:
Stock said in response on Twitter: “Reminder for brave, resilient types who think they can bear to face my ideas on gender identity — my book is on a Kindle deal for 99p at the moment. Extra counselling is available for Oxford students affected by this news.”

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