The language of reporting is changing

@ninetynineAu "In other words, I suspect convicted sex offenders may be trying to trans-wash their history, knowing that gender reassignment offers certain "privacy" protections."

Yes that would provide a strong motivation and there are plenty of unisex names to choose from. Also this could stem from wanting a fresh start not 'just' a desire to reoffend with impunity. 'It's not fair I shouldn't be on the sex offenders register loads of people have done way worse things than I did' thinking iyswim.

Society has judged they should be on the sex offenders register, doesn't automatically equate to the sex offender agrees and considers this fair and reasonable. And for virtually everyone if you believe the rules are unfair and you are being treated unfairly it makes easy to justify lying or cheating to get around the 'unfair' rules.

All of which to say, if we create a loophole, they will use it.

Sorry, that was answering a previous poster who asked about possible motivations for offenders 'transitioning' after release from prison, rather than transing before prison, (due to rapid courtroom-onset dysphoria).

Of course I couldn't possibly know for sure what's going on in their heads but I'm going to take a wild guess they tend to go for a full rather than partial name-change ie Choosing a completely different surname, as well as first name.

I'd also guess that by contrast with other name-changing trans-identifying people, the convicted sex offenders have a higher rate of opting for first names which could suggest either sex rather than stereotypically 'feminine' eg Lee rather than Sarah, and that they 're more motivated to seek an altered birth certificate.

In other words, I suspect convicted sex offenders may be trying to trans-wash their history, knowing that gender reassignment offers certain "privacy" protections.

This issue has been identified as a major problem in Scottish prisons - which of course was ignored by the Scottish government as it was only women put at harm:

https://backintosociety.co.uk/2022/10/06/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions/

I am aware of a transwoman sex offender with learning disabilities, who was groomed into transition while they were serving a sentence in a sex offender prison. Essentially there was a large group of transwomen offenders on the same wing, who were lovely and welcoming to this person when he was in "girl mode", and completely shunned him when he presented as a man. He decided he liked being a woman better because then he had lots of friends who liked him. It's tragic, it really is.

in some cases I suspect that that is precisely the appeal

Legally he is. We all know he's not but must watch the police, the law courts and the media play along. TRAs fought for these rules. Now they have to face the fact that people who are unaware of the reality will
believe that trans people are predatory.

Also this.

So many of these dodgy fucking blokes aren't there?

Sounds like we've moved on from "my masculinity is uncontrollable - made me do it" to "my dysphoria made me do it".

Same shit, different mask.

@flyingbuttress43

I am all for sex offenders being given castration as an option to reduce their sentence, I honestly don't know why it isn't done. As long as its not forced and is only optional it could legitimately work for everyone - their perverse impulses are curbed, chances of reoffending lowered and innocent people kept safe.

If they say they are trans perhaps we should offer the necessary surgery as an act of compassion. What's not to like?

@raspberrywine

I think any possible motivations for prison onset gender dysphoria could only be speculated about but social contagion is certainly one possible factor in the sense of talking to people with shared interests on the internet made be think I could be like this too...

Many people caught abusing children do want to distance themselves from the crime, it wasn't me, I wasn't being myself, etc. rhetoric can I suspect be extremely psychologically appealing in providing a justification / excuse why they're not a bad person even though they have been caught doing bad things.

which would be a case of believing it because you want to believe it I suppose.

If the stats showed that most of these guys transitioned after entering the court or prison system, we could conclude most were using it as a means to gain an easier time in prison or other considerations. That tells us something about how far offenders will go, but that's about it.

Ah, but how do we know it's not a social contagion? Far fetched I know, but can we just assume it's because they want an easier time?

I've occasionally seen it called Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria.

He wants to apply for a job and to utilise the Trans Loophole in the future?

This blood began identifying as trans after he was released from prison on sex offences.

What do people think that says about his motivation?

If the stats showed that most of these guys transitioned after entering the court or prison system, we could conclude most were using it as a means to gain an easier time in prison or other considerations. That tells us something about how far offenders will go, but that's about it.

On the other hand, if they found that there were an unusual number of sex offenders who had identified as trans before that, it would suggest that there is some other link - maybe that people who offend sexually have other kinds of abnormal or unusual sexual proclivities, perhaps, or something else. which would be a significant finding.

No, that's not what I said.

So a man who identifies as a woman before raping with "her penis" is genuinely trans, even though their behaviour couldn't possibly be that of a woman?

Well if their declaration coincides with a court date or arrest....pretty obvious no?

I think it does matter, yes. I'm certain if a study looked into this issue it would show that men are 'identifying as women' as a means of manipulating the system. We need evidence demonstrating how self ID makes a mockery of women's rights.

How could a study possibly show the motivation of male transitioners though? Men who transition to play the system are hardly likely to confess are they?

It should be illegal for sex offenders to change their name, ever. Similar story where a girl who's father horrifically sexually assaulted her changed his name and id'ed as a woman once he got out of jail.
I'm also in favour of castration for repeat offenders- offered as the only alternative to life imprisonment.

One piece of evidence is that a large proportion of them "detransition" when they get out of prison. I can't remember where the figures are from, possibly Scotland.