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Mark Drakeford, First Minister Wales: women's concerns a 'shrill dogwhistle'

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Pluvia · 09/05/2023 18:53

This is the man who went to Swansea Pride the other week and talked solely about trans, ignoring the LGB completely.

Today he accused a member of the Senedd voicing concerns brought to him by her constituents of being shrill and using a dogwhistle.

https://twitter.com/LauraJ4SWEast/status/1655954016151695360

https://twitter.com/LauraJ4SWEast/status/1655954016151695360

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Badgeringabout · 10/05/2023 07:27

Qbish · 09/05/2023 22:29

Sit down and shut up, women. Welsh Labour aren't interested in your rights or spaces.

And it'll be the same in England, once Keir gets in and changes his tune again.

Yes. Women need to wake up because this is where we are going if Labour get in.

Badgeringabout · 10/05/2023 07:24

RealityFan · 09/05/2023 20:51

MNers have been debating the virtues of voting Labour. Or LD, Green. Or indeed any party to try and correct the reckless course the Tories have misdirected us on for nigh on 13 years, 14 by the time of the GE.

Will Starmer bring in Self ID? Will he capitulate to the TRAs amongst his activists, MPs and front bench? Will he stand firm in the kind of gender critical way we'd all love, or just wilt?

Well, with the SNP and Welsh Labour, and in a smaller way, the Greens in Brighton, having been in their own ascendancies for well over a decade, nearly two, we don't have to look very far to see where a Starmer Labour govt will take us.

Indeed with Starmer's quote in the Guardian that woke issues are beneath his notice, we have more evidence that there isn't gonna be a happy ending here.

If I didn't despise trans politics so much, I'd admire the tenacity and success of their campaign. Via mendacious tactics, the likes of Dentons and Stonewall have literally implanted the irreversible and irresistible direction of travel within centrist/Leftist political parties in the West, and more and more Rightist ones too.

So that today, the leader of a major party can bald faced say to another politician, on being questioned in their parliament, that women's and kid's concerns are a dog whistle. In other words that this woman is the 2023 equivalent of an NF and BNP racist from the 70s and 80s, and that highlighting concerns on trans access to women's prisons, sports, and safe spaces, is the equivalent of Tommy Robinson using the N-word.

And whatever polling they're doing, it's showing that Drakeford and Starmer and the like are so confident of ultimate electoral victory that they can both trample on women's and girls' genuine concerns.

If I had any lingering doubts about voting Labour ever, they're put to bed.

What is it they say? If a person tells you who they are (over and over again), believe them.

THIS! A million times over. I cannot believe that any women will vote for Labour in the next GE but I know that they will in the hope that they will change when they are in power. Yes - they will get even worse with their blatant woman hating. Wales is a perfect example.
Sickening.

SunnyEgg · 10/05/2023 07:17

There can be no mistaking how Labour view women and this issue

MommaBear1 · 10/05/2023 07:15

Wow, a question is raised on our ( female constituents) behalf, and we dont even merit an answer. Saving this transcript to share when hes begging for our votes again!!!

110APiccadilly · 10/05/2023 06:21

Toseland · 10/05/2023 00:27

Her mike was muted, she tried to respond but we couldn't hear her! Absolutely disgusting.

One of the appalling things about the way the Senedd is run is the frequent partisanship of the Llywydd (equivalent of the Speaker). There was, some years ago, a very telling conversation/ interview she had with Bercow, who was Speaker at the time, where she told him how good it was she could switch the mikes off, and he said he wished he could.

The whole setup of the Senedd is supposed to encourage consensus (as opposed to the Westminster system, which is seen to encourage antagonistic debate). What this actually means is that voices of reasonable challenge get silenced.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/05/2023 01:38

JayAlfredPrufrock · 09/05/2023 22:24

I’m ashamed to say I don’t really understand ‘dog whistle’.

Essentially using coded or <nudge> words to gain support for your position without being overtly prejudiced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogwhistlee_(politics)

For example, describing women as 'shrill' hence the irony.

Merida46 · 10/05/2023 01:04

Wales has been transwashed for over ten years now. StonewallUK has its tentacles buried deep in the brain cell of Welsh Labour. Their RSE gender woowoo lessons are arranged by the Proud Trust, producers of the vile “dice game”

The Proud Trust – RSE Review | Safe RSE lessons for all children

The six-sided dice has a word on each side, Vulva (including vagina), Penis, Anus, Mouth, Hands/Fingers and Object.

https://rsereview.org/resources/the-proud-trust/

Hepwo · 10/05/2023 00:45

justasking111 · 09/05/2023 22:33

Our health board the auditors discovered have mislaid £124 million in twelve months. The Welsh government announced last week that the matter was closed. WTF.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-65534003.amp

Plaid who snuggle up to labour have said this today. See above

He said a "purchase order was produced on 31 March 2022 with incorrect details, which were intentionally designed so that it would not be sent to the company".

Gosh!

That's going to require a large rug to sweep it under!

ScrollingLeaves · 10/05/2023 00:29

The Russell-Moyle of Wales.

Toseland · 10/05/2023 00:27

Her mike was muted, she tried to respond but we couldn't hear her! Absolutely disgusting.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/05/2023 23:31

That was very nasty indeed.

The person with the dog whistle was the person who called a woman “shrill” to shut her up.

I hope she is ok. She is has been brave.

FrancescaContini · 09/05/2023 22:46

“Shrill” = “shut up, woman”

What a very nasty man.

justasking111 · 09/05/2023 22:42

Qbish · 09/05/2023 22:29

Sit down and shut up, women. Welsh Labour aren't interested in your rights or spaces.

And it'll be the same in England, once Keir gets in and changes his tune again.

Starmer sees Wales as a social experiment he greatly admires and encourages. Gordon brown has been entangled in Welsh labour politics in the past now the SNP has been hammered and Rishi said no more power will be devolved to Wales (he smells a rat)

tobee · 09/05/2023 22:34

There's no reason for Mark Drakeford to talk like this (I can't believe that Welsh voters are calling out en masse for trans rights as their no 1 priority) except he's been delighted to find an outlet for his misogyny; his outright hatred of women.

justasking111 · 09/05/2023 22:33

Our health board the auditors discovered have mislaid £124 million in twelve months. The Welsh government announced last week that the matter was closed. WTF.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-65534003.amp

Plaid who snuggle up to labour have said this today. See above

Ysbyty Bangor

North Wales NHS report 'found accounts falsified' - BBC News

Plaid leader says unpublished report suggests fraud took place at Betsi Cadwaladr Health Board.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-65534003.amp

Qbish · 09/05/2023 22:29

Sit down and shut up, women. Welsh Labour aren't interested in your rights or spaces.

And it'll be the same in England, once Keir gets in and changes his tune again.

JayAlfredPrufrock · 09/05/2023 22:24

I’m ashamed to say I don’t really understand ‘dog whistle’.

Ame45 · 09/05/2023 22:16

Have complained to my MP and Labour Party

Flangeosaurus · 09/05/2023 22:03

God what an absolutely insufferable wanker he is. So fucking angry that in 2023 it’s somehow ok for nasty little lefty arseholes to continue their disgusting mysogyny. Saying the quiet parts out loud. Vile.

Lammysaurus · 09/05/2023 21:55

What does it mean that Mark can "hear" the dogwhistle when no one else can? Did he lie down with dogs and get up with fleas?

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 21:51

Lest anyone consider your words fucking SHRILL.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 21:50

I recommend not swearing in comms btw. Just get it all out of your system first and then write with the swears deleted.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 21:49

BlessedKali · 09/05/2023 21:43

Please can someone more politically minded advise a course if action for us welsh mumsnetters? Contacting MP and/or labour MP regarding this?

Write to every fucker. Copy them all in so they are aware you are writing to everyone.

https://senedd.wales/people/mark-drakeford-ms/

https://www.writetothem.com/

https://labour.org.uk/complaints/making-a-complaint/

Fucker. Imagine if he'd used a slur against any other minority? But he can use a sexist one to smear women. Fucker.

Mark Drakeford MS

The Welsh Parliament is the democratically elected body that represents the interests of Wales and its people. Commonly known as the Senedd, it makes laws for Wales, agrees Welsh taxes and holds the Welsh Government to account.

https://senedd.wales/people/mark-drakeford-ms

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 21:47

Fucking hell. How the fuck dare you you fucking idiot man?!

BlessedKali · 09/05/2023 21:43

Please can someone more politically minded advise a course if action for us welsh mumsnetters? Contacting MP and/or labour MP regarding this?