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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 09/05/2023 16:33

Forwarder · 09/05/2023 15:47

But so much easier to try and manipulate the outcomes than properly resoucing the inputs.

Exactly.

Forwarder · 09/05/2023 15:47

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 09/05/2023 14:30

Juries convict 75% of rape defendants (2021 figures) - way higher than the conviction rates for most violent crimes.

Juries aren’t the problem - the failure to investigate and charge effectively is the issue.

But so much easier to try and manipulate the outcomes than properly resoucing the inputs.

Falt · 09/05/2023 15:33

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/05/2023 15:21

Are there any figures on where the failures are occurring? Obviously a tiny percentage of rapists are convicted - are rapes not being reported, or police not doing their job, or the fiscal not doing their job?

Not sure why anyone in Scotland would report a rape when we know the system thinks acceptable punishment is a few hours litter picking. I'd probably start with changing that before fannying about with the actual trials. Bit like removing a splinter from one eye when there's a gigantic fucking plank in the other one.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/05/2023 15:21

Are there any figures on where the failures are occurring? Obviously a tiny percentage of rapists are convicted - are rapes not being reported, or police not doing their job, or the fiscal not doing their job?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 09/05/2023 14:30

Juries convict 75% of rape defendants (2021 figures) - way higher than the conviction rates for most violent crimes.

Juries aren’t the problem - the failure to investigate and charge effectively is the issue.

Lockheart · 09/05/2023 14:09

I have issues with removing the jury generally, but in this specific case I would be quite concerned that any convictions secured under this pilot would be quashed or re-tried once the pilot has ended. I want to know what happens to those trials conducted without a jury if jury-less trials are found to be unjust or not robust enough.

I don't think it's fair to the victims to put them through that uncertainty, having to go through a retrial or worse having their attacker released, and if it was my case going to court I wouldn't want this.

Thelnebriati · 09/05/2023 12:30

''Criminal defence lawyers across Scotland will not allow their clients to become guinea pigs in a scheme where the starting point of the scheme is to engineer verdicts to bring about more convictions," Mr Woodward-Nutt said.''

IMO rape myths engineer not guilty verdicts.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-65523962

Humza Yousaf

Humza Yousaf defends rape trial scheme as boycott grows

Lawyers in Aberdeen join colleagues in Glasgow and Edinburgh in opposing juryless trials.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-65523962