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Public Order Offence for saying words deemed offensive?

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NancyDrawed · 08/05/2023 16:32

I am not familiar with the complexities of law and the spoken word, but I do remember Justice Julian Knowles saying that we don't have the right to be offended in one of the Harry Miller cases regarding Non Crime Hate Incidents. So if police forces can no longer use NCHIs to stifle freedom of speech / belief / opinion it appears that Public Order Offence is something else they are going to try to use.

I cannot believe that the Police have called this vulnerable woman in for an interview - twitter thread below

https://twitter.com/BretteDutton/status/1655361519830401024

https://twitter.com/BretteDutton/status/1655361519830401024

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AutumnCrow · 08/05/2023 18:48

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 18:45

i don’t “believe” anyone simply on the grounds of their gender and a pithy expression

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MNHQ actually has Talk Guidelines around this. They ran a whole campaign a few years ago.

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 18:45

ArabeIIaScott · 08/05/2023 18:11

'We believe her' - except when we don't like what she's saying.

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i don’t “believe” anyone simply on the grounds of their gender and a pithy expression

ArabeIIaScott · 08/05/2023 18:11

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 17:10

What do we know

a US friend has posted about her friends version of what happened in a UK psychiatric unit - and claimed the police are wrong.

Forgive me if my knee jerk reaction is to trust the police more than the friend

'We believe her' - except when we don't like what she's saying.

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 18:03

Shelefttheweb · 08/05/2023 17:23

We can see you would like it to be. But if it is fake, then who sent it?

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😂

if it’s “fake” it doesn’t need to have been “sent” to anyone

PollyPeptide · 08/05/2023 17:45

It's dated 2 weeks ago. Surely she'd have rung and checked out its legitimacy by now?

PollyPeptide · 08/05/2023 17:41

Mycathatesmecuddling · 08/05/2023 17:35

Scrap that we have NW police not denbighsire so that's irrelevant

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It was definitely Derbyshire. But I logged out and went back in and it was in English this time. I don't know how that happened but Welsh speakers are well catered for if they have a problem in Derbyshire! 😄

Public Order Offence for saying words deemed offensive?
Mycathatesmecuddling · 08/05/2023 17:35

Mycathatesmecuddling · 08/05/2023 17:34

Denbighsire or Debyshire?

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Scrap that we have NW police not denbighsire so that's irrelevant

Mycathatesmecuddling · 08/05/2023 17:34

PollyPeptide · 08/05/2023 17:30

I wonder why Derbyshire police's 'contact us' page is in Welsh? 🤔

Denbighsire or Debyshire?

PollyPeptide · 08/05/2023 17:30

I wonder why Derbyshire police's 'contact us' page is in Welsh? 🤔

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 17:25

Shelefttheweb · 08/05/2023 17:18

We don’t know what was said between two inpatients in a secure psychiatric facilities. But we do know that people are not in secure psychiatric facilities because they are of sound mind. We also know people in such places are acutely ill - you don’t get an inpatient mental health bed because you feel a bit down. And they are likely to be very mentally vulnerable still when they are discharged. You can’t take the word of either party here and even if you could it would not be relevant due to mental health status at the time.

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Many people in psychiatric facilities do have capacity. For example, someone may be suffering from severe depression with strong suicidal ideation, so detained under the Mental Health Act for her own protection, but she might well still have legal capacity to make other decisions. And the threshold to be considered not responsible for any criminal actions (not that I think this woman, if real, has committed a crime) is high.

Shelefttheweb · 08/05/2023 17:23

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 17:22

Stupid fake…. All over Twitter

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We can see you would like it to be. But if it is fake, then who sent it?

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 17:22

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 17:21

IDK - I agree there are some oddities, but it's a stupid fake, if it is a fake, because so much verifiable info is included.

Stupid fake…. All over Twitter

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 17:21

IDK - I agree there are some oddities, but it's a stupid fake, if it is a fake, because so much verifiable info is included.

Shelefttheweb · 08/05/2023 17:18

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 17:10

What do we know

a US friend has posted about her friends version of what happened in a UK psychiatric unit - and claimed the police are wrong.

Forgive me if my knee jerk reaction is to trust the police more than the friend

We don’t know what was said between two inpatients in a secure psychiatric facilities. But we do know that people are not in secure psychiatric facilities because they are of sound mind. We also know people in such places are acutely ill - you don’t get an inpatient mental health bed because you feel a bit down. And they are likely to be very mentally vulnerable still when they are discharged. You can’t take the word of either party here and even if you could it would not be relevant due to mental health status at the time.

Mycathatesmecuddling · 08/05/2023 17:17

If this is true its appalling, patients on a psych ward should not be held legally responsible for the things they say, when they are there otherwise we are criminalising insanity, amoungst other things

That said I've had to email police officers a lot (work related) and the email address is not in the format I would expect either

GailBlancheViola · 08/05/2023 17:16

Forgive me if my knee jerk reaction is to trust the police more than the friend

The Police are hardly proving themselves to be very trustworthy at the moment.

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 17:10

What do we know

a US friend has posted about her friends version of what happened in a UK psychiatric unit - and claimed the police are wrong.

Forgive me if my knee jerk reaction is to trust the police more than the friend

Shelefttheweb · 08/05/2023 17:05

‘Unheeded paper’

Public Order Offence for saying words deemed offensive?
Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 17:03

Come on

lack of name on envelope (and yet addressed to a name?)

on unheaded paper

to a non existent email address

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 17:02

Sorry

[email protected]

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NancyDrawed · 08/05/2023 16:59

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

The lack of name did strike me as odd, too, but I have received mail in a windowed envelope before where the name of the intended recipient is beyond the window view although the address is visible.

That said, I would probably make an effort to uncover the name rather than open the letter, but I'm not her partner. I can understand him wanting to try to sort it out himself without her having to be involved given her recent hospital stay

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MissPollysFitDolly · 08/05/2023 16:58

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 16:53

on unheaded letter 🤔

The letter has the Derbyshire Constabulary logo and details at the bottom. You seem very keen to dismiss it, let's see what other information comes out.

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 16:57

Oh and the email address isn’t in the format for the Derbyshire police

[email protected]

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 16:53

on unheaded letter 🤔

Zodfa · 08/05/2023 16:52

Whataninsight · 08/05/2023 16:42

You are putting a lot of faith in what the patient said she said. Hardly the most objective of people

I struggle to imagine very much at all a person undergoing psychiatric care in hospital could say that would merit police intervention. Clearly such people are likely to be more inclined than the rest of the population to say not very nice things, and being spoken to by the police is unlikely to be of much benefit to their longer term mental health.