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My fears for the future.

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RealityFan · 06/05/2023 13:57

Borne of being a bit of a glass empty person, never "happier" than when fussing and worrying.

Despite fighting talk on this forum, I'm less and less sure that the gender critical battle will come around our way.

If Starmer feels he can get away with it, he'll more and more sideline the What Is A Woman? question. FWIW, I'm unsure how salient it is across all voters, let alone all women. Trans issues are almost negligible in highlighted concerns amongst voters in opinion polls.

Unfortunately Mumsnet is not the outside world. Women especially may either neglect, or de-prioritise unease with gender issues, to get a government that will fund the NHS, social care, housing, nursery education etc.

If Starmer botches things and it's a Hung parliament or minority Labour administration, the LDs, Greens and SNP will extract such concessions that Starmer likely will cave on demands from Leftist Progessives in his own party and minority parties to kowtow on at least the direction of travel being Self ID, at the very least absolute draconian laws on conversion therapy ban to include trans, rigid hate speech laws as being passed in Ireland where any skepticism expressed will be stamped on, enforced pronouns and absolute ban on misgendering locked tight.

So, a sweeping Labour win brings changes in, or Starmer does another U-turn when in power. Anyone happy to vote for him hoping helltvo lukewarm in power? A marginal win, and we're in unpredictable progessive overreach territory.

And the Conservatives, my natural party to vote for, a busted flush over 14 years by the time of the GE, only now upping their game on trans issues, yet too late and too incompetent, so that the only party half decent in this area, is almost guaranteed to hand over the keys.

So, that's our political landscape. Further pessimistic feelings generate reading Eliza Mondegreen's report on EPATH conference, just a Hellish narrative of total child abuse, being driven through into the medical mainstream.

Throw in the recent UNESCO and WHO proposals, a de facto prospectus to revitalise the PIE agenda, Self ID and hate speech laws ramping up all way across the West.

And sane voices to the contrary, obviously speaking to the ordinary man and woman in the street (JKR, Billboard Chris, Sharon Davies, Graham Linehan, Posie Parker etc), effectively still marginalised by the anxiety-laden freeze in public discourse.

This feels like a never ending (un)civil war, the TRA forces now strategically embedded in every leftist/centrist party throughout the West, MSM, and more and more rightist parties, civic society, either enthusiastic or acquiescing. Woke capitalism rounding up the forces of capital, actors and musicians and writers on board making the case, "social capital" so to speak.

So, as our brave GC rearguard action creates hits that truly shake this edifice, the direction of travel from the TRA leviathan feels inexorable.

It feels weird for big wins like the end of No Debate, Tavistock expose, IOC ruling, Starmer having to consider his messaging, Sturgeon falling on her sword over Adam Bryson, Nike and Bud Light humiliated in public.

But I'd say these remain skirmishes, the trans edifice is rolling over us slowly but surely.

For the last few decades I always argued as an atheist with my devout Christian friend that humans fuck it up but also fix it.

On trans issues, I'm now only believing the first bit of that sentence.

Am I right to be this down hearted? Who wants to pick me up? Lol.

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Britinme · 06/05/2023 15:45

Women especially may either neglect, or de-prioritise unease with gender issues, to get a government that will fund the NHS, social care, housing, nursery education etc.

This is exactly my daughter, who is also a member of BACP and gave me a lecture about how my generation didn't believe in 'choice' because we were raised by parents traumatised by WW2 when they had no choice about anything.

Redbird87 · 06/05/2023 15:45

I know y'all have a different legal right of freedom of speech, but I've noticed a few times when people were silenced and news have been kept hush, the truth exploded out of the gate in a way that made much more an impact than it mightve had it not been treated like a conspiracy. That's lead to more of a public consciousness to how fucked up this all is, and that's obviously good. Nothing cleans like sunlight.

RealityFan · 06/05/2023 15:37

PotteringPondering · 06/05/2023 15:11

I also tend towards a glass-half-empty view of things, so often find myself thinking along the same lines, worrying something has shifted irrevocably.

Other points – which give me hope – include:

• Growing numbers of detransitioners telling their stories, and likelihood of future waves of litigation against institutions that fast-tracked medical transition.
• The free speech/Orwellian aspects of it all. Many are genuinely outraged at the silencing of legitimate views (eg current letter to Edinburgh University).
• Growing numbers starting to see it all as fad or social contagion, particularly re teenage girls.
• Half of all SNP members (SNP members! Vanguard of the batshittery!) voted for leadership candidates who didn't believe in it.
• In the UK, large parts of the press are sympathetic to GC views.

Hi, I like to potter and ponder as well. I just feel that this is shaping up to be the battle of ideas, and the tide will turn many times.

I've already made my personal decisions. I won't be cowed into using personal pronouns or hiding my thoughts. I won't go looking for conflict, but if it comes my way...

I'll never ever vote for a left party again. I've just seen video of Aussie "Liberal" Party members refer to their party colleague who attended and supported Posie Parker in Auckland, as a "terrorist". I know that this strain of poison now infects at a deep level the Labour Party, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP etc. You'll never get my vote.

There are gonna have to be SO many instances of a Joanna Cherry MSP sueing a venue for discrimination in banning her and others, while Labour weaponise anti free speech laws.

The battles in science, medicine, schools.

It just feels like the establishment is coalescing fast around this enemy position.

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ResisterRex · 06/05/2023 15:22
  • they'll need to get self-ID through the Lords, and that may be far harder than the GRA
  • even in the Commons, a self-ID law might see a sea of letters to MPs
PotteringPondering · 06/05/2023 15:11

I also tend towards a glass-half-empty view of things, so often find myself thinking along the same lines, worrying something has shifted irrevocably.

Other points – which give me hope – include:

• Growing numbers of detransitioners telling their stories, and likelihood of future waves of litigation against institutions that fast-tracked medical transition.
• The free speech/Orwellian aspects of it all. Many are genuinely outraged at the silencing of legitimate views (eg current letter to Edinburgh University).
• Growing numbers starting to see it all as fad or social contagion, particularly re teenage girls.
• Half of all SNP members (SNP members! Vanguard of the batshittery!) voted for leadership candidates who didn't believe in it.
• In the UK, large parts of the press are sympathetic to GC views.

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