Transitioning man in the womens open changing room and communal showers at local swimming pool

Fuck their fucking terminology.

This. I was going to post this but toned down my language. Agree completely.

Boiledbeetle is absolutely right. There were 8/10 of you. He was well outnumbered. No need to be embarassed: tell him to get the hell out. Don't back off. Kick up a massive stink. And never ever refuse to use the changing room. The more women give in, the more these narcisstic pricks/pervs (delete as appriate) will do it. I am not victim blaming because the women are not victims, but we have to stand up for ourselves if this stupid ideology is to be defeated. Ask yourselves - what would KJK do?😡

Could you phone the pool now so or send an email and ask them what they intend to do if this happens again?

Exactly . We all knew how to react to men in places they weren't supposed to be a few years ago. Nothing has changed. Not in this country

they are relying on us being cowed by the male interloper. They rely on women being quiet and asking politely.

NO! Why should we!

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/67

[F1(1)A person commits an offence if—

(a)for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, he observes another person doing a private act, and

(b)he knows that the other person does not consent to being observed for his sexual gratification.

Yes.

Exhibitionism is wrong - and illegal. We all know that 'flashing' is recognised as a paraphilia and a red flag for future escalating sexual offenses.

Voyeurism is also wrong - and illegal.

If he was born with a dick, he’s not a chick. Sorry you had to suffer this. This bullshit needs to end. His rights shouldn’t trump all of yours.

For goodness sake. A man doesn't have to get out his penis or assault a woman to be unacceptable in their space. Just their presence is enough. I wouldn't want my own DH in the ladies changing rooms, or any of my male friends/ family.

OR

Just say "man".

This is a man.

Fuck their fucking terminology.

(I appreciate your post was genuine and don't mean to be arsey with you... it's just infuriating that we have to play these linguistic games. No. Just a man.)

I know you're rural, but are there other pools within reasonable driving distance? If so, I'd check their facebook pages to see if this isn't a roving creep that other women are making posts about. Somebody might've taken a picture of him, or nabbed his license plate or something. In my brain, where everything is a 90s movie, the ballsiest ladies would hold up towels as a privacy barrier for the others while everyone just silently glares at him with their arms crossed until he leaves.

I now feel very anxious about my next early morning swim (Friday) as I dont want to be stripped off and feeling vulnerable under the shower again so will most probably not shower this way here again now.

Isn't it interesting how he claims to have 'every right' to use the wrong-sex changing room. It's all about supposedly wanting 'equal' rights and anybody saying that they're standing up for women's rights is called a transphobe, a liar, a terf etc.

And yet, it's clear as day here that he is seeking to take your rights away from you (and I'm sure the other women will probably stop going as well), so that he can add them on to the equal rights that he already has. Not exactly the same rights but completely equal ones: i.e. there is an appropriate single-sex changing room available for all people of either sex.

If he's anything like a lot of male-bodied people insisting on using female changing facilities, he doesn't actually want just the room per se; he wants the room with women changing in it.

It doesn't make a huge difference to his perceived motives if he isn't actually exposing himself to you - the fact is that he is forcing women to expose themselves to a man in their normal usage of a room which is clearly designed for women to be naked/showering in and thus is designated as female-only. All decent men would understand this and would stick to using their own facilities without a moment's thought - there's no point 'looking for' a sinister motive; it has already been clearly demonstrated. It isn't like voyeurism is somehow a lesser violation than flashing.

This is a genuine post - I am not trying to be obnoxious, just wanted to ensure you do have correct terminology for when you next need it, OP…

A biological male identifying as a woman = a transwoman.

A biological female identifying as a man = a transman.

Many people get confused, and it is daunting enough to challenge a male in a female only space, without getting fuddled by confusing terms.

Good luck for Friday.

Actually boiledbeetle has a good point. Fuck politeness.

I remember a story recently where a queue was forming that was far too long at a post office or something and a woman said to everyone around her, "sorry for what I'm about to do" and then absolutely lost her shit, loudly and unapologetically, until the post office staff got their act together.

I am not saying it's the right action for any situation but surely ten years ago if a man came into the women's you'd be well within your rights to scream your head off.

Why not now? Pretend you missed the memo that TWAW and behave accordingly.

I think OP you really have to complain to the staff at the pool in the very first instance, including the pool's management. And if you know the other women, they should do this too.

Of course whether this individual was exposing themselves or not, they walked into a communal change room when women were in the state of undress. Either the management needs to utilise the exception under the EA and declare that it is for female people only, or they need to provide adequate private cubicles in a gender neutral format providing complete privacy.

They cannot have this both ways though if the women and girl's using that facility reject the arrangement as it is and the managers wish to remain 'inclusive' and 'safe'.

@mummymeister fuck asking politely.

Very loudly over and over "you are a man this is the women's changing room. Leave now!" Just keep repeating and getting louder each time.

If women are undressed and showering in a women's change room and a man comes in and starts showering and refuses to leave that is something you are well within your rights to call the police about.

Setting aside any 'transitioning journeys' he may be on.

It's an invasion of privacy in what you assumed was a single-sex space.

I would contact the pool and let them know that if it happens again you will have no choice but to go to the police. At least give them a chance to guide him.

Honestly women get so done over with this ideology. It's sexual harassment, at the very least. But they get away with it because gender.

Well done for challenging this OP and keep going. He's doing it for kicks. No decent human being would want to put others in that position. There are alternative facilities but using those won't intimidate and embarrass others.

This.

In response to @Lockheart that was

Because she and several other women left!

This. Make a complaint.

This. The swimming pool is completely in the wrong. They are perfectly within their rights to provide single sex spaces and to ask this man to move.

OP look at Sex Matters website and get yourself clued up, then go back to the pool and start asking questions.

There's no mention of him exposing himself from the OP