Transitioning man in the womens open changing room and communal showers at local swimming pool

Thank you Everywitchwaybutloose and totally; they want the good things about being a woman but have not suffered as women.

Not saying men always have it easy, but even now women get the shitty end of the stick.

Man in Afghanistan ( for example) oppressed but can leave the house to work and go to the shops on his own. His life is restricted but not as much as the woman next door

Woman who lives there has a husband and a three year old son. She is worried that her husband who works in construction may be injured and how will they manage? She can't go out alone without being arrested by the Taliban.

So why would the man want to be a woman?

Hope you have an enjoyable swim in the morning op

Good points @Dalekjastninerels and goes to the more general point that trans-identifed men rarely take over all the shit work women do.

Afghanistan is not Iran though.

They are both oppressive but would a man in Afghanistan want to stay inside all the time and only be allowed out in a burqa in the company of husband/dad/unc;e/brother and hope said aforementioned does not die leaving them alone with no way of leaving the house without being arrested and executed?

Provided that they undergo SRS or whatever the current abbreviation is.

I wonder how many men in Afghanistan under the Taliban want to be women?

Well, isn't it the case in Iran that there are many trans-identified men? They are actually homosexual, but Iranian law is absolutely medieval in its treatment of gay men. So the effeminate homosexual (one of Ray Blanchard's categories of trans-identfied men) in Iran can camoflauge as a transwoman, and enjoy sex/relationships with other men, without fear of execution for homosexuality.

Basically the body is still male or female, down to cellular level. Because humans can't change sex, any more than any other mammal.

This is, of course, the simple truth; but even if it were theoretically possible to actually change sex, why would amending one or two focal features to roughly cosmetically resemble actual organs that your sex doesn't have rule that you now are that other sex? What about all the other distinct markers of the sex that you are not? If we're going for the 'gotcha' points, a transwoman would also need to have a uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes and ALL other female-specific organs/body parts installed.

I couldn't just say "leopards have spots" or "zebras have stripes" and thus paint them on my body and claim that makes me into one, conveniently ignoring all of the other many human features that I would still have, which a leopard or zebra never would.

Like with the 'sex and gender are NOT the same thing OR sex and gender ARE the same thing - depending on what suits any one of our particular arguments better at any time', we're constantly told that we're being reductive and bigoted to take genitals as the only marker of a person's sex.

Therefore, for somebody who has had some kind of cosmetic surgery, the same thing must still hold true: that a man who has had his penis removed and a wound very vaguely resembling a vagina on the surface in its place is still the same man that he always was. A man suffering from penile cancer who genuinely has to have his penis removed does not become a woman; a woman who has a hysterectomy does not become a man.

It seems that the people who are widely accused of being the narrow-minded genital-obsessed bigots and the people who ARE demonstrably the narrow-minded genital-obsessed bigots may very well not be the same groups of people at all.

Correct; but it must be difficult for them to feel like they do.

I would never be rude/unkind/refuse to employ (if I were an employer) a transperson.

However they baffle me tbh.

I wonder how many men in Afghanistan under the Taliban want to be women?

Those are still just cosmetic changes to appearance - and not always very successful ones.

Basically the body is still male or female, down to cellular level. Because humans can't change sex, any more than any other mammal.

Yet men who still have penises call themselves women and women with vaginas say they are men because of how they feel inside.

Fine; no problem if they feel so wrong why don't they transition their body?!

The day it's campaigned to make your last sentence a legality is the day this country can go down in history as being totally fucked up.

The though that anyone could possibly announce they have a lady penis or man vagina doesn't bare thinking about.

Why don't transgender individuals have the courage of their convictions and change their genitals to be male or female accordingly?!

No such thing as a lady penis or man vagina.

Oh buggrit @Brisland and @Chersfrozenface There was I being all optimistic!

I think that's always the problem with those kind of offences, Icake.

As for pronouns, many laws seem to use the default male.

Noting the use of pronouns in the Act, what if 'he' identifies as 'she'. Surely it would still be an offence? Also, I think the out for this individual would be proving their intent to cause alarm and distress. Although IANAL.

@EveryWitchWaybutLoose - Primark defines a woman as anyone who identifies as a woman…. So the change rooms are still mixed sex.

I would ask the staff to confirm what is meant by "women", if I were you.

If it means "all those who say they are women", then the changing room is in reality mixed sex.

I hope you get this sorted @mummymeister and a huge thank you for doing so.

I noticed that my local Primark now specifies that the changing rooms near the women’s clothing section are for women only. That is a result of local and national campaigns by women.

OP, that's brilliant. Very well done. Have a good swim and remember we are all behind you.

Hope you enjoy your swim tomorrow OP.

Sexual Offences Act 2003, Section 66

A person commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally exposes his genitals, and
(b)he intends that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress

And just point out indecent exposure is a crime and that the swimming pool should not aid and abet it.

Oh no. I know which side of the argument you are on! Don't worry

@Boiledbeetle I hope that you don't think that I was condoning the situation.