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Transwoman wins women's US cycling race & gets $35k prize

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MrsJamin · 01/05/2023 00:06

Austin Killips won the Tour of the Gila women's race www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-of-the-gila-2023/stage-5-women/results/
Just outrageous. Any tweet by the organisers mentioning Killips has restricted comments (but of course many quote tweets)
It's getting more and more ridiculous:

  • the rider retained their original male first name, Austin.
  • they rode for the Amy D Foundation, set up to encourage and support young women through cycling, inspiring the celebration of healthy challenge and empowering the confident pursuit of lofty dreams.
  • this is the first year the women's prize money is the same as the men's.
You couldn't make it up. When will the most sports-loving country in the world protect and give a shit about women in sport?
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DewinDwl · 04/05/2023 10:05

anunlikelyseahorse · 03/05/2023 12:11

The only good thing I can think of is this: the prize money is quite substantial so what's to stop any man from saying that they felt like a woman when they entered the competition and then felt like a woman in the day of the race, so now we're back to biological males competing against biological males? I really really hope more biological males do this....because those who know they'd never win in a male to male race will have a tantrum 'because it's not fair' and will shine an even brighter light on the quite ridiculous situation we're currently in.

I think this has already happened with weightlifting!

nilsmousehammer · 04/05/2023 08:41

Bizarre, isn't it.

Activists: Women, revolve your lives entirely around what this male says happens to be going on between his ears at this moment, prepare to switch pronouns/reality/boundaries.... btw he might be lying.

Women: how do we tell?

Activists: you cannot refuse to revolve on command whether he is or not, since you might accidentally 'punish' a real one by trying not to get hurt by a pretending one. This isn't about you! Service human on three. One, two, good girl....

zibzibara · 04/05/2023 08:01

It's funny how the trans activists distinguish between genuinely pretending to be a woman versus pretending to pretend to be a woman in their arguments. It's still a man either way!

Signalbox · 04/05/2023 07:55

“The ethical standards of "no one transitions just to win" just won't apply to them.”

Not sure this ethical standard applies to Western “TW” tbf.

PatatiPatatras · 04/05/2023 06:50

The short sightedness of the sporting bodies is irritating.
Once this ideology takes hold, it isn't the western transwomen who will win all the medals for women.
It is the transwomen of all the other nations which never seem to win any medals that'll take the lot. The ethical standards of "no one transitions just to win" just won't apply to them. Western bodies will have themselves in a bind as they'll have racism allegations stopping them from pointing out the blatantly obvious.
At this point, girls would have stopped caring about elite sport and the men will fight each other for the right to the women's podium.
Some women will still compete as some "low level" competitions will attract only women. It'll look like women's sport still exists. It'll be a mess for women but there'll be no outcry about women, just how unfair it is that not all countries have the same standards.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/05/2023 16:44

Professional motorcycle racer Judd E. Banner, the brave trans-vehicle rider, was allowed to race after he told league organizers he's always felt like a bicyclist in a motorcyclist's body.
🤣

Maryslargelamb · 03/05/2023 16:33

Nails it, that is!

Signalbox · 03/05/2023 12:52

ArabeIIaScott · 03/05/2023 09:50

Roughly paraphrasing what he's saying - at first he took oestrogen to 'feminise' the body but latterly it was just to suppress Testosterone in order to be allowed to race women. It seems that the latter times were when the difficult side effects really made themselves clear.

Does oestrogen block testosterone? Or does he just want the feminising effects of oestrogen without the nasty side effects of androgen blockers? Interesting admission that androgen blockers have nasty side effects though.

anunlikelyseahorse · 03/05/2023 12:11

The only good thing I can think of is this: the prize money is quite substantial so what's to stop any man from saying that they felt like a woman when they entered the competition and then felt like a woman in the day of the race, so now we're back to biological males competing against biological males? I really really hope more biological males do this....because those who know they'd never win in a male to male race will have a tantrum 'because it's not fair' and will shine an even brighter light on the quite ridiculous situation we're currently in.

Boiledbeetle · 03/05/2023 11:49

I'm loving the Twitter references today about men winning women's races due to 'gender doping'.

nilsmousehammer · 03/05/2023 11:38

Maryslargelamb · 03/05/2023 11:09

From what I can make out, director Julie sounds like it was a team effort with Austin deliberately chosen to be the person the team was supporting to win, and the other riders, Casey in particular, were chosen to support Austin in winning. ( in the way the riders in tour de France teams work to help one member of their team win). Which makes it a team cheat effort to help a male win, from a team set up to support women.

How can Julie live with herself? This is basically approved cheating. It’s her loophole, to get her team to win.

This was always inevitable.

There are large rewards for your person winning: sponsorship, publicity, the money is big.

If you can win by the certainty that some beta males will successfully knock out females, then yes of course you'd be all for them being in the women's races. Why wouldn't you? A sense of honour? Morals? Ethics over personal gain?

So last century.

Bloody hell do I miss the last century.

flyingbuttress43 · 03/05/2023 11:11

Another Telegraph article today by the chief sports writer Oliver Brown
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/05/02/trans-cyclists-have-olympics-in-sights-no-one-can-stop-them/

There is also "UCI under pressure as Davies warns women's sports at risk". Can't see that on the online version though. Plus there is a yet another one on "Controversial policy and how it stacks up to IOC framework", both by Tom Morgan the sports new correspondent.

I know a lot of mumsnetters don't like the DT because they perceive it as right wing, but you have to hand it to them. They are all guns blazing in favour of women's sports - even pre-dating the trans debacle.

Today's articles in the print edition devote the sports splash and and an inside double page to the issue.

Picture that shows trans cyclists have Olympics in their sights and no one will stop them

Authorities must act swiftly before women are, once again, victims of male privilege on biggest stages of all – Olympics and Tour de France

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/05/02/trans-cyclists-have-olympics-in-sights-no-one-can-stop-them

Maryslargelamb · 03/05/2023 11:09

MrsJamin · 01/05/2023 06:00

Look at the reaction from sports director Julie when asked about the win twitter.com/RebeccaReza/status/1652782286604238848?t=ri6x2-KIJVXsuQBwb2TSwA&s=19
Yes this is the same Killips that pushed a woman with his bike and got away with it.
Killips is not the only one, there's a long list here twitter.com/i_heart__bikes/status/1645203016977375233 (read all of the replies) - cycling has a BIG problem especially in the USA.
And no, the answer is not the women refusing to compete 🙄, the sporting bodies just need to hoik up their big girl pants and write some fair rules so the mediocre males can sod off and leave the women alone.

From what I can make out, director Julie sounds like it was a team effort with Austin deliberately chosen to be the person the team was supporting to win, and the other riders, Casey in particular, were chosen to support Austin in winning. ( in the way the riders in tour de France teams work to help one member of their team win). Which makes it a team cheat effort to help a male win, from a team set up to support women.

How can Julie live with herself? This is basically approved cheating. It’s her loophole, to get her team to win.

TiredOfCleaning · 03/05/2023 11:06

Good point.

And one of those inconvenient truths the TRAs ignore. (Along with all the others. Like Biology).

Fizbosshoes · 03/05/2023 10:47

If it was as simple as altering testosterone and oestrogen levels, why have we not seen any trans men break into men's sport and compete at a meaningful level? After all if they took suitable amounts of testosterone that would level the playing field. ..?

Boiledbeetle · 03/05/2023 10:05

I do hope that at some point in the not too distant future all these wrongs are righted and that the results tables are updated to show the true positions of the women and the biological males results are struck through.

ArabeIIaScott · 03/05/2023 09:50

Roughly paraphrasing what he's saying - at first he took oestrogen to 'feminise' the body but latterly it was just to suppress Testosterone in order to be allowed to race women. It seems that the latter times were when the difficult side effects really made themselves clear.

ArabeIIaScott · 03/05/2023 09:49

Here is a long conversation with Austin on how hard handling hormones can be. Sounds awful, tbh. Lots of lying about on a sofa, crying. This is not how you imagine a young healthy athlete would behave.

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+50w Amidst Hormonal Imbalances with Austin Killips – Successful Athletes Podcast 32

Hormonal imbalances affect every athlete and often go unnoticed, but Austin Killips has an especially insightful perspective. Austin is a transgender woman w...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=33s&v=tzyJxLBmYLQ

Beowulfa · 03/05/2023 09:49

I read a book on the downfall of Lance Armstrong recently; fascinating on many levels. I genuinely don't understand how anyone can take the sport seriously given the embedded attitude of "it's not cheating if everyone's doing it".

I really want to hear a female sports pundit on the BBC point out that women are not just men with a bit less testosterone. And lots of coverage of the special ladycock lycra bulges.

ArabeIIaScott · 03/05/2023 09:18

zibzibara · 03/05/2023 09:05

Huge congratulations to the real winner Marcela Prieto, and to second and third place champions Cassie Nelson and Emily Ehrlich. Not just for their excellence at a competition they worked so hard for, but also for bravely doing their best while knowing that they were being usurped by a cheating male who was being enabled by hostile competition organisers.

Hear, hear.

zibzibara · 03/05/2023 09:05

Huge congratulations to the real winner Marcela Prieto, and to second and third place champions Cassie Nelson and Emily Ehrlich. Not just for their excellence at a competition they worked so hard for, but also for bravely doing their best while knowing that they were being usurped by a cheating male who was being enabled by hostile competition organisers.

Tessisme · 03/05/2023 08:48

Congratulations to her, very happy for her

Congratulations to the ACTUAL winner. The WOMAN who was pushed into second place by a cheat.

The Emperor is wearing Lycra. The Emperor has a penis.