Where did PIE go? WHO and UNESCO new guidance has routes in Queer Theory, Sex Positivity and believes children are "sexual from birth"

warning triggering

Thank you SSA and everyone involved in highlighting this. God bless you.

This was extremely upsetting, having experienced CSA. It was distressing to read. I feel sorry for anyone who had to write it.

When I was an adult and confronted my abuser his words were: you knew what you were doing. You were not innocent. You used to try and turn me on with your see through clothes (normal children's wear) etc etc

I had repeated therapy. I needed to hear another intelligent person reassure me that his words weren't true. That's how much he got in my head, that my own rationality was compromised.

Reading this sick document, essentially this effectively serves to gag the child being abused.

Now the abuser can tell a child that perfectly normal everyday interactions and normal physical affection on the part of the child like hugs or holding hands are a facilitation and invitation to sex. Normal interest in a changing and developing body is a desire for sexual intrusion by an adult.
In my day another trusted & normal adult could refute this. Now this would be legitimised by schools and health professionals. Now a child suffering secretly would possibly be hearing this in school as well as by their abuser. My (They all have the same script it's how they manage to do it) abusers words. Legitimised by authority.

Why would the child report it? Ever?

I actually can't think of why we would be a society worth preserving if we permitted this.

Well we are facing another assualt by PIE, it is evident. They have obviously realised that the public is not on their side, so they are trying to infiltrate and change policy to spread the 'child sexualisation' message, without the backlash.

Its round 2, Ladies, and let's push them back where they belong. Rembember the majority of people are against this.

This report needs to get out there as quickly as possible before any more of this policy corruption/social engineering can take place.

We need to organise!

We need to share this report with:

MPs

Local Schools
Local groups that work with children

Organisations that work with children
Journalists

We need to bang these pans hard and make as many people take a look at this as we can!

The majority of people are sane, and know this is wrong, that is absolutely on our side.

So let's not go quietly!!

Any links to groups that will organise against this, or any other ideas?

Also to add. As a neurodiverse person I find keeping it all straight in my head very challenging. Things like names in these boards I can never remember who is who in the regular posters in the way I see other people clearly can. This is a challenge for me in everyday life and I'm used to it. That's why I notice it so much when I try to talk about gender and safeguarding. It's much much worse in these areas.

And it's well known nurodivergent kids are prime targets. Obviously not all have the same processing struggles I have but an awful lot of them will.

And final point TW. Is also short for trigger warning. I found it amusing at first in my head as what I'm reading about trans women often would get a trigger warning in the other groups I'm in. Then it occurred to me if just scrolling and spotting TW as a sensitive person means you don't read it this is another way people are actively turning from important information due to misunderstanding in language

Games with language is gaslighting. So someone now says CSE and it's ambiguous making it harder for people to get information across.

As with the safe schools alliance/safer schools.

Didn't a trans person take a feminists name?

Even companies like jigsaw who teach PSHE have chosen a confusing name as it's associated with autism.

People won't define terms.

People change the names of words.

It makes it so we cannot easily discuss and challenge. It's a way to stop debate. It's a way to suppress dissent

I’ve donated too, I hope this helps you get more visibility for this report

Captive audience all those kids stuck at home getting more time alone on their computers than they'd ever had before in their lives probably!

Lonely kids, not much supervision and rainbows. What could possibly go wrong @justasking111 👿

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/3992465/financial-history

Someone else did well during pandemic

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5054976/financial-history

When every other charity tanked during covid this one had a meteoric rise

Apologies for being pedantic, but it's Safe Schools Alliance - Safer Schools is another organisation whose similar name caused confusion on another thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/safer-schools-issues-guidance-on-furries-in-school

(Although to be fair, the typo "ferries" instead of "furries" in the thread's title also caused confusion and hilarity before it was fixed!)

Thanks for letting me know @Boiledbeetle . Always nice to see that our online activism isn't wasted!

Safer Schools Alliance is doing such important work.

Can someone post that video on Feminism chat and perhaps ask if they think this could ever happen again. I’m totally useless but this needs to be widespread.

"Children's bodily autonomy."

Does that mean I should let my 3 year old decide whether to have the MMR vaccine? No, because that's ridiculous. She has no idea of the risks or benefits.

One of (not the only, one of) the problems that led to the grooming gangs scandal was the idea that children could consent to sex. Social workers were saying that these girls were making choices.

But you end up sounding like a conspiracy nut to those that are oblivious that it's not just about be kind to the poor vulnerable man who thinks he's a woman. That it's all carefully orchestrated insidious mission creep and has a much darker underbelly.

I know. Sometimes I remind myself of a mate of mine who's a Jordan Peterson fanboy: "But, just read this article..."! 😀

It's a strange thing, but when I'm online and things like this are raised, we all feel like we're conspiracy theorists and a minority. But when I go out and talk to friends, neighbours, bar staff, whoever, I frequently find people have the same views and same information I do. And the ones who parrot authority / media positions not only are the minority but come across as vaguely nuts and True Believers. There's a fanatical brittleness to their assertions. They come across as nothing more than school toadies eager for a chance to inform on you to teacher.

And perhaps that's what they are - their identity is all wrapped up in being on "the right side". They enjoy or need the borrowed power of officialdom. Sad creatures and they seem more numerous than they are because they swarm.

But still, they are the minority and they get their courage from their betters. Someone above said that people responsible for things like this should be named and monitored and so they should. We need some kind of Wikipedia site (with a more selective editor list) that chronicles this. KiwiFarms is kind of like that but more for lolcows than the politically corrupt (that's a sideline). Is there such a thing? Something that you can look up an individual and see "Oh, he's advocated for legalising sex with children here and here and here". The 'farms motto is "Archive Everything." The same should apply.

Young children are not capable of bodily autonomy. They do not have the experience or information to make decisions in such areas; nor do they have the power to assert autonomy - neither personal nor socially granted. They don't really have the capability to go against an assertive adult or older child and they're still learning right and wrong so can be easily led by those older than themselves. Autonomous means independent, and children are always dependent on those older than them.

The "bodily autonomy of children" is a lie, which in actuality just means hand over the decision making from the rightful guardians of the child, to someone else, that someone else is equally allowed to exert as much influence over the child as the child's guardian.

Children's bodily autonomy just means removal of parent's protection.

Can you explain this please? I’ve looked at the relevant pages but not sure if I’m looking at the right thing. Thanks

Feels so ridiculous that I just screenshot this thread to refer back to as I've had previously a thread I planned to go back to and get the references disappeared

Truth

Indeed, Bosky that’s quite a body of work for a single post. Thank you

@Bosky

Thank you very much for that information

Those of us who came here in November after expulsion from somewhere else are remembering that we, too, discussed PIE on and off over the years. I'm now wondering if that is what made us so loathsome.

a lot of us have always connected this back to the likes of PIE and Kinsey and Money. But you end up sounding like a conspiracy nut to those that are oblivious that it's not just about be kind to the poor vunerable man who thinks he's a woman. That it's all carefully orchestrated insidious mission creep and has a much darker underbelly.

And those that are behind this have gone to great lengths to shut conversation down.

Hopefully their boldness will be their undoing. But I suspect it may not. And in the meantime how many children are being groomed and abused under the banner of inclusivity?

It becomes horribly obvious what all the 'no debate' and framing of discussion as 'hate speech' was laying the groundwork for. PIE and its successors know what made them vulnerable the last time, they've been closing off those gaps.

This. Been saying for ages, why haven't we learnt the lessons of PIE in the 70s? I'm old enough to remember the deluge of correspondence in the letters page of the Guardian from PIE, with Patricia Hewitt (and many others, she was certainly not the only one to blame) busily acquiescing to the perverts. So the liberal consensus, the Labour Party, civil rights groups, etc, they all fell for this, hook, line and sinker. And now, it's happening all over again, with some added new buzz-words about gender.

Won't get fooled again? You couldn't make it up.