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Are trans people really facing genocide?

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CremeEggsForBreakfast · 26/04/2023 10:32

I follow a trans creator on social media. This person is not particularly well-known but I follow them so I'm not in an echo chamber and so I can better understand the opposite point of view.

This person, and others they follow, have been posting about how trans people are facing "a genocide". With new laws on sexual battery being proposed/passed in some states and the attempts to classify "gender reassignment surgery" as sexual harm it seems many trans people now believe this is part of a wider plot not to, you know, safeguard young children but to actually legally murder trans people.

The content I have seen is trans people saying they are facing Stage Eight of a genocide which would be akin to concentration camps.

The laws do seem pretty radical (death penalty, outlawing of drag) but AIBU to think that calling it genocide is hyperbolic? And that given the meaning of the word, genocide can only be committed against racial and ethnic groups?

I'm willing to have my mind changed. I can believe that sex is immutable and still not want trans people to face the death penalty but I find the equating to the national persecution of Jewish people during the Holocaust quite disturbing.

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escapingthecity · 27/04/2023 10:57

Is the creator you follow in the US? The landscape there is quite different to here in the UK given the divergence between policies in different states. It is not helpful to import the American trans experience to the UK.

MargotBamborough · 27/04/2023 10:26

CurlewKate · 26/04/2023 20:03

I assume that most people talking about transgenocide don't mean actual physical killing, but the introduction of measures which would prevent trans people from transitioning and so their trans identity would be erased. The death of their trans self, not their actual physical self. Is that a wrong assumption?

I mean, if your identity is so fragile that it can be erased by someone telling you you can't have dangerous cosmetic surgery, how strong is that identity in the first place?

There's certainly an inconsistency between the belief that your genitals aren't what make you a woman or a man, and the belief that you are being literally erased if society won't let you have your genitals reconfigured to resemble a member of the opposite sex.

ArabeIIaScott · 27/04/2023 09:22

Just having a look at US Twitter. I've seen a few accounts now talking about this 'genocide'. Their response? Calls to arms.

Two accounts that ask for funds to provide arms.

https://twitter.com/EFJBGC/status/1651248839976943619?cxt=HHwWhoDQ6ceEteotAAAA

https://twitter.com/GuardTrans

Yes, these may be blowhard outliers. But the rhetoric is ramping up. It's alarming.

https://twitter.com/EFJBGC/status/1651248839976943619?cxt=HHwWhoDQ6ceEteotAAAA

DarkDayforMN · 27/04/2023 00:12

Datun · 27/04/2023 00:09

can you point out the ACTUAL killings?

And there's this ^, of course. As far as I'm aware, not a single person in this country has been killed for being trans.

So genocide means 'no one has been killed' now.

Got it.

"Trans women" aren't women.
"Trans men" aren't men.
"Trans genocide" isn't genocide.

Wow, it even makes a through the looking glass sort of sense.

Datun · 27/04/2023 00:09

can you point out the ACTUAL killings?

And there's this ^, of course. As far as I'm aware, not a single person in this country has been killed for being trans.

So genocide means 'no one has been killed' now.

Got it.

Datun · 27/04/2023 00:04

CurlewKate · 26/04/2023 20:03

I assume that most people talking about transgenocide don't mean actual physical killing, but the introduction of measures which would prevent trans people from transitioning and so their trans identity would be erased. The death of their trans self, not their actual physical self. Is that a wrong assumption?

Well, it's built on a lie. A man who's had his penis inverted hasn't 'transitioned' into anything. He's just a man with his penis inverted.

Likewise a man who has silicone breasts inserted under his skin. That's what he is. He's not a woman. He's a man with silicone breasts.

The idea that stopping the surgeries on minors, especially, is erasing anything, other than healthy organs, is all based on the marketing of the concept that humans can transition from one sex to the other.

They can't.

SquirrelSoShiny · 26/04/2023 23:07

ClawedButler · 26/04/2023 10:44

Being told 'no' for once is not genocide.

Yep, this.

DerekFaker · 26/04/2023 22:33

The argument is that they are linked. Florida is proposing or has introduced (I'm unsure) a bill on Capital Sexual Battery in which causing harm to sexual organs of someone under 12 can incur the death penalty with a smaller number or jurors voting. Trans people, rightly or wrongly, believe those seeking gender reassignment surgery for their children could be at risk from this bill (or would be in the future).

So TRAs are now acknowledging that minors DO have surgery and are given hormones. But we were told that wasn't happening....

EpicChaos · 26/04/2023 21:29

2 quick points...

As far as genocide is concerned, the only genocide that i can see any evidence of, is the loss of healthy children to an ideology that requires them to kill off the body of their birth, reducing a once healthy body, to that of a sack of skin that no longer resembles the person it once was, that will need medical care for however long it's on this earth. That's genocide and it's a genocide that doesn't allow parents/friends or other family to mourn, or grieve for the child they lost!

Regarding the death penalty - where precisely is this being rolled out specifically and purely for dealing with trans? Where?
If it's for child rapists, well i'll be honest, i won't lose any sleep over that, not one wink out of my allotted 40 will go by the wayside at all. Are you suggesting that all trans are child rapists? you seem to be.

In any case, even in murder cases, the death penalty isn't always used even when it can be, like in a current case where the DP has been removed from the table, even though it was originally sought and allowed as a likely and deserved punishment.

Ingenieur · 26/04/2023 21:09

@CurlewKate

Sorry, I'll take a deep breath!

CurlewKate · 26/04/2023 20:50

@Ingenieur Quite.

Ingenieur · 26/04/2023 20:48

Sure they might say that. That's why it's disgusting hyperbole to pretend it's the same as the Shoah.

Also, in the real world you can't genocide an idea, only people.

CurlewKate · 26/04/2023 20:03

I assume that most people talking about transgenocide don't mean actual physical killing, but the introduction of measures which would prevent trans people from transitioning and so their trans identity would be erased. The death of their trans self, not their actual physical self. Is that a wrong assumption?

MargotBamborough · 26/04/2023 19:49

Zodfa · 26/04/2023 19:45

I would like to congratulate the architects of the trans genocide for doing such a good job of keeping anyone from hearing about it. Except on Reddit, apparently.

Oh we're hearing all about it.

We just have no idea who any of the victims are or who has hidden the bodies.

MargotBamborough · 26/04/2023 19:48

thathuman · 26/04/2023 16:05

Well, you know what they say about opinions...😉

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The immutability and binary nature of biological sex in humans is a fact, not an opinion.

RedToothBrush · 26/04/2023 19:46

risefromyourgrave · 26/04/2023 10:55

Oh please come back, your post offered such insight, you obviously have much to teach us….

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I could just do with a good laugh tbh.

Zodfa · 26/04/2023 19:45

I would like to congratulate the architects of the trans genocide for doing such a good job of keeping anyone from hearing about it. Except on Reddit, apparently.

usernother · 26/04/2023 19:26

No, of course not. That's laughable. Was this Katy Montgomery?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 26/04/2023 19:24

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/04/2023 18:23

Oh, I was just pointing out a fact - apparently many of you don't know how to use it!

have you deployed any facts yet @thathuman ? Thus far you’ve stated that ‘transwomen’ aren’t men, which is in fact untrue given that a man is an adult human male, something a person has to be to be a transwoman

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Brefugee · 26/04/2023 19:13

thathuman · 26/04/2023 15:48

Absolutely. There are very few other groups of people who are targeted the way they are. The only reason for it all is ignorance and fear of what they don't know. If every group was held to account for all the bad things that a small minority did, pastors and police all over the world would be in a much different situation than they are. But nobody cares what they're doing - only focused on those lives that have no affect on theirs! I'd post this on Reddit and see what you get because this site is very, very biased.

Anyone who says they aren't facing it are biased and blind.

can you point out the ACTUAL killings?

there is no genocide. There is a shrill campaign against women. By men. Everyone else who has been caught up in it for whatever reason are collateral damage.

SquidwardBound · 26/04/2023 19:12

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2023 19:08

Having just had a quick read back through the last few posts....

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I think this particular poster is practising their gaslighting skills.

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2023 19:08

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:53

I respond to intelligence with intelligence.

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Having just had a quick read back through the last few posts....

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Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2023 18:57

SinnerBoy · 26/04/2023 18:54

In a very real sense, we're all dim-witted Nazis. Oh and religious extremists, as well.

Where's my money, Westboro Baptist Church?

I suppose you'd have to ask Lorna Slater

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-cannot-back-up-26961353

SinnerBoy · 26/04/2023 18:54

In a very real sense, we're all dim-witted Nazis. Oh and religious extremists, as well.

Where's my money, Westboro Baptist Church?

thathuman · 26/04/2023 18:53

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2023 18:45

Are you planning on bringing anything constructive to the discussion or do you just plan on being more belligerent with each post?

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I respond to intelligence with intelligence.