Elon is a Terf!

I'm not sure why people are in despair that they object to the same concept, but for different reasons. And as already said. Musk isn't critical of gender and doesn't share any views with feminists, apart from this one point of agreement. That sex is real.

Ditto for Trump. He knows sex is real because he's a misogynist and sexist.

His son is caught up in this ideology.

His ex is dating an AGP.

Same.

Exactly. He’s not a feminist at all. Completely different to what you could call an actual TERF. And no one’s going to listen to women if they alliance themselves with people like that.

He’s a terf or he’s just a horrible person who doesn’t care about women but just hates anyone vulnerable. Like Trump. Wouldn’t exactly be excited about Trump’s trans views.

Perhaps the headline of this thread is a bit of a joke/attention grabber. But I do think lots of people don't really understand or know about the origins of "TERF". People perhaps don't really think about the Radical Feminist part of that acronym. Musk is not any kind of feminist, certainly not a radical one.

As previous posters have said, "gender critical" is not right either, as he hasn't said or done anything which indicates he is particularly critical of gender as a social construct.

What he is, is a "sex realist" whilst also being someone who doesn't like compelled speech. He's also insulated from criticism and repercussions by his enormous wealth.

He's spoken about it before. It's about population collapse and he has joked about doing his "bit" to help.
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1650578815641346054?s=20

He also does a lot of drugs which certainly impacts on his behaviour at times.

I’m not a massive Elon stan and cba to check for accuracy but his first son died and his wife’s next two pregnancies (the IVF
ones) were a twin pregnancy and a triplet pregnancy so is there any evidence that the embryos a) were deliberately sex selected and b) if so that Elon was the decision maker?
Only it’s entirely possible that they just wanted lots of babies asap hence IVF for multiples or that there were other health related reasons for going this route (or the sex selection was driven by one or both parents grief which is weird but somewhat understandable and not sexist)

Elon has since gone on to have at least one daughter (plus twins who names and sexes have not been revealed) so he can’t be totally insistent on wanting only sons?

There is quite a lot of weird stuff in the science-y way Elon’s children have been conceived but the only bit that I see as completely objectionable is the surrogacy pregnancy - the rest is weird but not arsehole-exploitation weird (and for all we know, there could be a genuine medical reason for him to have used reproductive tech.

I’m totally up for criticising billionaires where criticism is legit but not when it’s rumours - that he has largely kept his children out of the public sphere is pretty commendable, so many celebrity kids are growing up in goldfish bowls (and non celeb kids too due to social media).

Sorry, should have checked before posting. IVF, so tested before implantation.

He has made comments like this before btw. Musk is not gender critical & definitely not a feminist. You should read what his ex-wife Justine has to say about him. He has very female-unfriendly views. He even told her on their wedding day he was the 'boss' and demanded sons from her. I'm assuming she agreed to sex-selective abortions, unless they were very, err, lucky...

Musk, like most people, knows sex is immutable and disagrees with "transing" / medical experimentation of children, that's it.

There's more to GC than knowing sex is immutable. I know that but I'm not GC.

Can't argue with this:

What research?

And definitely can't argue with this:

Every child goes through an identity crisis, but leaping to a permanent solution that sterilizes them for life before they could possibly consent for themselves is wrong. Plain and simple.

The fact that my GC views align with some loathsome people (from Trump supporters, to Tories and now Elon Musk) makes me sad.

Me too.

And his father thinks the exact opposite; and has no qualms in announcing it to all and sundry.

The fact that my GC views align with some loathsome people (from Trump supporters, to Tories and now Elon Musk) makes me sad.

Her has a very particular type of intelligence which arises from his autism. He really is a most unusual, complex, and very interesting person.

And because of his Asperger's he doesn't have the fliter that most people do -so there is no 'side' or 'spin' to him. He says it as he sees it. His emotions are all on the surface. That can have its negative aspect too, of course.

'The Elon Musk Show' on BBC Iplayer is worth a watch.

Correct, people should be mindful that Musk disclosed that he has aspergers.

"Sometimes when I say something, I have to say 'I mean that' so that people really know that I mean it. That's because I don't always have a lot of intonational variation in how I speak ... which I'm told makes for great comedy." He went on to say that he has Asperger's. "So I won't make a lot of eye contact with the cast tonight. But don't worry, I'm pretty good at running 'human' in emulation mode."

https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/elon-musk-aspergers-self-test-entrepreneurs-temple-grandin.html

His conscience led him to rescue the most politically significant social media platform from extremist propaganda at a significant loss, and he is going to try to steer the development of AI from harming humanity.

This makes me rather fond.

He has been for a while I think.

He has good bits and bad bits. You know, like a human...

But it is definitely good for GC feminism that the owner and controller of twitter doesn't think "stop sterilising and mutilating kids because rainbows" is hateful. It means we can speak.

He is also a powerful, rich, influential man. He has reach. That is important.

Right, fine I agree he is obviously intelligent, otherwise he wouldn't have got to where he is now.

But it doesnt stop him from being a Grade A arsehole.

His mother thinks he's a genius!

Is that conscience in the room with us right now?

He really fucking is. People who say he isn't intelligent are weirdly fucking stupid. Does he make mistakes and do some stupid shit? Yes. But high intelligence doesn't mean constant perfection. He's clearly incredibly intelligent and very hard working.

This is more likely to harm the GC cause then help it, given Elon is a grade A twat who is known for spouting controversial shite just for the craic; regardless of whether he actually means it or not.