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Elon is a Terf!

133 replies

CaveMum · 25/04/2023 15:42

Elon is wading into the puberty blocker debate!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1650843875622232064?s=46&t=vZsKCHJJ4lL6NrAoNyJFww

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1650843875622232064?s=46&t=vZsKCHJJ4lL6NrAoNyJFww

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SpeedSnap · 25/04/2023 21:14

The man who wants Neurolink inside humans then saying there needs to be a physical AI off switch are two odd ideas to hold at once.

Surrogacy and IVF selection God complex is ok for Dad, kids can't join Dad until 18.

I read an article today about people having out of body experiences and the answer for these people and those with tinnitus is a semi conductor in their brain apparently.

PappedOot · 25/04/2023 21:13

MerlinsLostMarbles · 25/04/2023 19:06

Who apparently never speaks to Elon over it.

Similar to Graham Linehan's ex-wife and kids.

I’ve noticed it’s always incels who
comment upon glinners divorce. I suppose it’s the nearest they’ll ever get to a wife and kids.

Swansandcustard · 25/04/2023 21:13

Not sure Elon Musk on your team is a win. I would hazard it’s more of a comment against it

Malaiseybum · 25/04/2023 21:06

SpeedSnap · 25/04/2023 18:43

His son is caught up in this ideology.

His ex is dating an AGP.

Wow, I just caught up with what Grimes has been doing for the past few years. I had no idea she and Elon had a second child (via surrogate).

Given that Grimes and Elon are so into the idea of transhumanism, I was initially a little surprised by his stance - but actually, 'no life changing interventions for minors' is fully compatible with 'informed consent for adults (for anything/everything)'.

denim1700 · 25/04/2023 20:47

Actually, come to think of it I think I've forgotten just how censored Americans are. Where else can they speak so openly and with a huge user base but Twitter? We still have a few websites in the UK and the media has gotten better and better.

denim1700 · 25/04/2023 20:36

Oh well maybe I mixed him up with some other pathologically narcissistic male lol. Whilst it's true things aren't so strictly enforced anymore and previously banned users are allowed back , "misgendering or deadnaming" remains a reportable offence.

Elon has been vocal for some time and I can't see how it's helped things. He's loathed in the US, so may well be retarding progress over there.

Here's the piece his wife wrote, if anyone wanted to read it.

www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/

Gothambutnotahamster · 25/04/2023 20:15

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 25/04/2023 16:39

He has been for a while I think.

He has good bits and bad bits. You know, like a human...

But it is definitely good for GC feminism that the owner and controller of twitter doesn't think "stop sterilising and mutilating kids because rainbows" is hateful. It means we can speak.

He is also a powerful, rich, influential man. He has reach. That is important.

I agree with this!

GuevarasBeret · 25/04/2023 20:00

DailyCake · 25/04/2023 16:21

he’s also a 24 carat arsehole.

I cannot forget his "paedo guy" comments about the ordinary British man helping with the underwater cave rescue, plus Twitter had to sue to force Musk to honour his deal. Stupid comments he has made also adversely affected the share price of the companies mentioned. Twat!

I agree with him on this topic, but have him pegged as a 24Carat Arsehole generally.

I know it’s completely unsubstantiated, but my gut reaction to the result of the paedo guy trial was “he paid off the jury”.

but it seems even arseholes know that sterilizing children is quite evil.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/04/2023 19:59

DailyCake · 25/04/2023 17:28

The fact that my GC views align with some loathsome people (from Trump supporters, to Tories and now Elon Musk) makes me sad.

Me too.

My GC views don't align with Trump and his ilk at all.

I believe that there's no particular type of Womanny personality, just female bodies. The Womanny character traits we observe are simply the result of growing up female in a patriarchy (and the same for Manny traits). We female-bodied people need support to deal with the consequences of patriachy yes, but it doesn't define us and the long term goal is to not need them. For me, trans women are men who do/feel/embody Womanny stuff. They are not male people who are actually women, they are proof that all that Womanny stuff was never specific to women in the first place.

Unlike me, Trump et al do believe there is a particular type of Womanny personality that belongs in a female body. However, it's not their definition of Womanhood. So in their world view, Women are female bodied, but should also be Womanny. Women who don't have the Womanny personality stuff are still women, but they are lower quality/less desireable/less valuable women. And the men who do/feel/embody it are lower quality men. That's clearly not a GC view. It's actually a Genderist view, just one that doesn't accept Transgender.

FishAndFingers · 25/04/2023 19:55

CaveMum · 25/04/2023 17:09

@NotHavingIt the Netflix doc about SpaceX is very good too.

Thanks, I'll make sure to watch it.

I like EM.

SpeedSnap · 25/04/2023 19:46

MerlinsLostMarbles · 25/04/2023 19:06

Who apparently never speaks to Elon over it.

Similar to Graham Linehan's ex-wife and kids.

His daughter will know that her father loved her and fought for her future.

CountZacular · 25/04/2023 19:46

JenniferBarkley · 25/04/2023 18:52

Does that really not give you pause for thought? What about people you do agree with on other issues and have historically felt aligned with? If they tend to feel the opposite way to you on this issue does that not give you pause for thought?

Why would it? People hold views that sound similar but the reasons are rarely the same.

Take Trump for example - he very clearly doesn’t care about welfare of children after the migrant separation fiasco and that’s not his angle at all. He’s also shown time and time again his awful misogynistic views to women. I’d suggest Trump is just transphobic. Most rad fem women on the other hand are worried about the harm (actual physical, long lasting harm) transitioning is causing to children. Rad fem women are concerned about male bodied people being in spaces women need for themselves only.

Does people raising concerns about children being sterilised not give you pause for thought?

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/04/2023 19:26

I'm pretty sure there were electric milk floats decades before Musk was running Tesla.

NotHavingIt · 25/04/2023 19:23

So many young people, and even those older to know better, seem to get all of their information and ready formed opinions from social media, it seems to me. What happened to investigating issues for yourself.

Elon Musk is responsible for the world's firts commercial electric vehicle, and is now doing some quite amaxing things with Space Ex. given his difficult early life and his asperger's he has achieved far more than most people ever will in their life. He may be a hard task master, in that he expects the total commitment from his staff that he himself gives to his projects - and that is often not possible - and he has his faults like anyone.

I recommend watching 'the elon musk show' on BBC I player - for a revealing insight into the man. And yes, you are free to watch it without having to feel sad, or ask for permission.

Echobelly · 25/04/2023 19:21

@NotHavingIt - I'm 45, I don't follow YouTubers. Musk has quite openly displayed his disdain for pretty much anyone who isn't a rich, white tech bro and his lack of concern for abuse aimed at the vulnerable.

NotHavingIt · 25/04/2023 19:17

Echobelly · 25/04/2023 19:05

He's not a TERF, he's just a common or garden transphobe and he's no friend to feminism.

I'm up for reasoned discussion about puberty blockers and the best responses for gender questioning teenagers, but this is just him being a right wing troll.

Which You Tuber told you that?

NotHavingIt · 25/04/2023 19:15

IBelieveInAThingCalledScience · 25/04/2023 17:22

And his father thinks the exact opposite; and has no qualms in announcing it to all and sundry.

The fact that my GC views align with some loathsome people (from Trump supporters, to Tories and now Elon Musk) makes me sad.

What makes him " loathsome"?

The world and people are complex and multi-faceted. It is a waste of time feeling sad because you agree with someone on certain issues.

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/04/2023 19:12

That's an irrelevant nasty dig @MerlinsLostMarbles.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 25/04/2023 19:06

BorgQueen · 25/04/2023 15:44

Hardly surprising - one of his older kids is apparently trans.

Who apparently never speaks to Elon over it.

Similar to Graham Linehan's ex-wife and kids.

Cherryblossoms85 · 25/04/2023 19:06

Not particularly new. More fuel on the inferno of this topic really, not sure it helps anyone.

Echobelly · 25/04/2023 19:05

He's not a TERF, he's just a common or garden transphobe and he's no friend to feminism.

I'm up for reasoned discussion about puberty blockers and the best responses for gender questioning teenagers, but this is just him being a right wing troll.

PorcelinaV · 25/04/2023 19:02

JenniferBarkley · 25/04/2023 18:52

Does that really not give you pause for thought? What about people you do agree with on other issues and have historically felt aligned with? If they tend to feel the opposite way to you on this issue does that not give you pause for thought?

Even if it gave people "pause for thought", when you consider that one side just has dogma and "no debate"...

JolyGoodBloviator · 25/04/2023 19:00

JenniferBarkley · 25/04/2023 18:52

Does that really not give you pause for thought? What about people you do agree with on other issues and have historically felt aligned with? If they tend to feel the opposite way to you on this issue does that not give you pause for thought?

No, because sterilising children is never ok.

HTH!

JenniferBarkley · 25/04/2023 18:52

DailyCake · 25/04/2023 17:28

The fact that my GC views align with some loathsome people (from Trump supporters, to Tories and now Elon Musk) makes me sad.

Me too.

Does that really not give you pause for thought? What about people you do agree with on other issues and have historically felt aligned with? If they tend to feel the opposite way to you on this issue does that not give you pause for thought?

PorcelinaV · 25/04/2023 18:51

Newnamenewname109870 · 25/04/2023 18:36

He’s a terf or he’s just a horrible person who doesn’t care about women but just hates anyone vulnerable. Like Trump. Wouldn’t exactly be excited about Trump’s trans views.

Yes, wanting to protect children until they're old enough to consent to medical treatments is definitely pretty evil. You just know this guy kicks puppies for fun.

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