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Elon is a Terf!

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CaveMum · 25/04/2023 15:42

Elon is wading into the puberty blocker debate!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1650843875622232064?s=46&t=vZsKCHJJ4lL6NrAoNyJFww

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1650843875622232064?s=46&t=vZsKCHJJ4lL6NrAoNyJFww

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thathuman · 26/04/2023 15:22

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WolfFoxHare · 26/04/2023 15:19

Ffs autocorrect. *I’m pointing out the idiocy

WolfFoxHare · 26/04/2023 15:19

Misstache · 26/04/2023 15:07

Hitler being a vegetarian doesn’t say anything about the ethical stance of being a vegetarian, but if someone on a vegetarian board posted “Hitler was a vegetarian!” excitedly, people might have some questions!

I do think it’s amazing on this board the deference men with truly awful views, behaviour, and histories get for agreeing on this one topic, vs. the ire thrown at women. I don’t believe TW should be in prisons, shelters, sports and I disagree with other women who do think so, but I’d still take most of those women’s collective views over the kind of men who get praised on here for hitting the lowest bar.

You’ve missed my point. The poster I relied to asked whether having awful people agree with GC views gives us pause for thought about whether they’re valid views. Impinged out the idiocy of this.

I’m not praising Elon or celebrating his agreement with my views, I’m saying having him agree with me doesn’t make me change my mind about this issue.

Misstache · 26/04/2023 15:07

WolfFoxHare · 26/04/2023 15:01

Does the fact that Hitler was a vegetarian who liked dogs give you pause for thought about eating vegetables or having a pet pooch? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Stalin and Mao knew the Earth was round. I know biological sex is real, binary and immutable. The fact that some horrible people also know that doesn’t mean I am wrong. Would you say the sun revolves around the Earth because someone you similes claims otherwise? Eppur si muove.

Hitler being a vegetarian doesn’t say anything about the ethical stance of being a vegetarian, but if someone on a vegetarian board posted “Hitler was a vegetarian!” excitedly, people might have some questions!

I do think it’s amazing on this board the deference men with truly awful views, behaviour, and histories get for agreeing on this one topic, vs. the ire thrown at women. I don’t believe TW should be in prisons, shelters, sports and I disagree with other women who do think so, but I’d still take most of those women’s collective views over the kind of men who get praised on here for hitting the lowest bar.

WolfFoxHare · 26/04/2023 15:01

JenniferBarkley · 25/04/2023 18:52

Does that really not give you pause for thought? What about people you do agree with on other issues and have historically felt aligned with? If they tend to feel the opposite way to you on this issue does that not give you pause for thought?

Does the fact that Hitler was a vegetarian who liked dogs give you pause for thought about eating vegetables or having a pet pooch? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Stalin and Mao knew the Earth was round. I know biological sex is real, binary and immutable. The fact that some horrible people also know that doesn’t mean I am wrong. Would you say the sun revolves around the Earth because someone you similes claims otherwise? Eppur si muove.

Wanderingowl · 26/04/2023 14:58

Newnamenewname109870 · 25/04/2023 18:36

He’s a terf or he’s just a horrible person who doesn’t care about women but just hates anyone vulnerable. Like Trump. Wouldn’t exactly be excited about Trump’s trans views.

Oh I'm damn fucking excited about Trump's stance on this. Not because I care what Trump thinks. None of us have a clue what Trump actually thinks about anything, tbh. But because Trump has a canny team around him that knew how to make this figure of fun into the American president. And if they have decided that going full on against trans ideology should be a big part of his campaign for re-election. Then it is because they have done the research and assessed that it's something a very significant cohort of the American population feel very, very strongly about.

I don't care about Trump but I do care about what it means.

PorcelinaV · 26/04/2023 14:51

I wish there was some better discussion with the trans-activist side than having to explain to them that beliefs aren't wrong just because a "bad person" is in agreement with it...

Wanderingowl · 26/04/2023 14:51

WinterofOurDiscountTentz · 26/04/2023 14:39

Please explain how Elon Musk is a Radical Feminist? TE or otherwise.

How much do you know about Radical Feminism? Not too many of us here would adhere strictly to radical feminism either. We will have certain common views with RF but won't be completely bound by it's ideology either. TERF was dreamed up as a slur based on the fact that some of the first people to raise alarms about trans ideology were radical feminists. But it was very, very quickly applied to anyone disagreed in any way with the ideology, not just radical feminists, not even just feminists or in fact, not even people who want to 'exclude' trans people.

It was a way to scare people into shutting up but as it's not a slur with a long history of being used to abuse. It was very easy for people who believe in reality, to shrug and say, 'sure that's what I am,' when called TERF. It's why Dave Chappelle can declare himself Team Terf, or why GC people or anyone else who understands reality can call ourselves Terf. It's the easiest to reclaim slur in history because the first that most people heard of it, was when they realised that they are one and the people calling them it are batshit.

Bosky · 26/04/2023 14:44

NotAnotherBathBomb · 26/04/2023 14:05

Mumsnetters get wet for anyone no matter how dickish the behaviour once they state the one view that they align with. It's cringe.

I'm GC but don't give a fuck with Elon Musk thinks about it

"Mumsnetters get wet"

There are some revoltingly sexualised insults thrown at women on this thread, on a FEMINIST board!!

Mostly in the service of criticising a man for being a misogynist - you could not make this up!

PorcelinaV · 26/04/2023 14:43

Valour · 26/04/2023 14:20

Of course he's a terf.

Look at who you're standing with.

Shouldn't we look at whether the belief is true or not?

Or in this case, consider the ethics of experimental treatments on children that they can't properly consent to?

Who even cares what Elon thinks on a personal level?

It's good that there is less Twitter censorship, but beyond that, it's not particularly important.

RoyalCorgi · 26/04/2023 14:43

Perhaps it's time to remind people that back in the 1970s the main organisation opposing the Paedophile Information Exchange, a lobby group pressing for the right for adults to have sex with children, was the fascist party known as the National Front. So if you said you opposed legalisation of paedophilia, you'd have been aligning yourself with fascists.

Of course, most decent, sensible people understood that paedophilia was wrong, regardless of whether fascists agreed with them or not. It was just a small bunch of lunatics on the left who thought otherwise.

WinterofOurDiscountTentz · 26/04/2023 14:39

Valour · 26/04/2023 14:20

Of course he's a terf.

Look at who you're standing with.

Please explain how Elon Musk is a Radical Feminist? TE or otherwise.

Bosky · 26/04/2023 14:37

ErrolTheDragon · 26/04/2023 13:33

Mumsnet needs a "Pedantry Corner" like "Private Eye".

www.mumsnet.com/talk/pedants_corner

OMG! I had no idea! 😂

Having had a look, it seems to be being used more as a place to ask questions about spelling and grammar. Handy to know about, though!

AlisonDonut · 26/04/2023 14:26

Valour · 26/04/2023 14:20

Of course he's a terf.

Look at who you're standing with.

What do you mean 'standing with'?

AlisonDonut · 26/04/2023 14:24

There's a guy in my village who is a hard and fast political bighead, who thinks that the Tories have sold out and are now the most socialist party that have been in power in the UK in his lifetime.

We met up once in the boulangerie because we live in the same village.

I don't 'get wet' because we both 'align' with the same boulangerie. We just happen to have used the same shop at the same time once.

I think people accusing women of 'getting wet' because their views 'align' with someone needs to fuck off with their mysogynistic fuckwittery. Wanker.

Valour · 26/04/2023 14:20

Of course he's a terf.

Look at who you're standing with.

RoseslnTheHospital · 26/04/2023 14:19

"And to PP arguing that the OP is wrong because "TERF" is shorthand for a term that includes "Radical Feminist" - lighten up!"

This is as light as I get, @Bosky 😉

AlisonDonut · 26/04/2023 14:15

NotAnotherBathBomb · 26/04/2023 14:05

Mumsnetters get wet for anyone no matter how dickish the behaviour once they state the one view that they align with. It's cringe.

I'm GC but don't give a fuck with Elon Musk thinks about it

What do you mean 'align with'?

WinterofOurDiscountTentz · 26/04/2023 14:11

NotAnotherBathBomb · 26/04/2023 14:05

Mumsnetters get wet for anyone no matter how dickish the behaviour once they state the one view that they align with. It's cringe.

I'm GC but don't give a fuck with Elon Musk thinks about it

You miss the point. It doesn't matter who is saying it, as long as people are saying it. The louder the better.
It;s not about aligning at all.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 26/04/2023 14:05

denim1700 · 25/04/2023 17:41

He has made comments like this before btw. Musk is not gender critical & definitely not a feminist. You should read what his ex-wife Justine has to say about him. He has very female-unfriendly views. He even told her on their wedding day he was the 'boss' and demanded sons from her. I'm assuming she agreed to sex-selective abortions, unless they were very, err, lucky...

Musk, like most people, knows sex is immutable and disagrees with "transing" / medical experimentation of children, that's it.

There's more to GC than knowing sex is immutable. I know that but I'm not GC.

Mumsnetters get wet for anyone no matter how dickish the behaviour once they state the one view that they align with. It's cringe.

I'm GC but don't give a fuck with Elon Musk thinks about it

WinterofOurDiscountTentz · 26/04/2023 14:03

Hitler didn't "believe" the world was round. He just knew it was, as we all do.

Same as we don't "believe" that TW are men, or that humans can't change sex. It's not a belief, its basic knowledge.

We need to stop accepting that these are "beliefs".

ArabeIIaScott · 26/04/2023 14:00

Florissante · 26/04/2023 13:57

And he also liked dogs and sausages.

Not sure what your point is.

I thought he was a vegetarian? Is that a myth?

Florissante · 26/04/2023 13:59

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/04/2023 19:12

That's an irrelevant nasty dig @MerlinsLostMarbles.

I agree. But it shows you the quality of MerlinsLostMarbles's posts.

Florissante · 26/04/2023 13:57

YouTarzan · 26/04/2023 12:17

Hitler believed the world was round Sad

And he also liked dogs and sausages.

Not sure what your point is.

Florissante · 26/04/2023 13:56

Newnamenewname109870 · 25/04/2023 18:36

He’s a terf or he’s just a horrible person who doesn’t care about women but just hates anyone vulnerable. Like Trump. Wouldn’t exactly be excited about Trump’s trans views.

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