Jackie Green reacts to KJK

Definitely! My 20s were spent desperately trying to prove to myself there was nothing wrong with my childhood. 30s spent coming to an understanding of what the fuck happened as a child. 40s spent trying to work out how to put things right. Now in my 50s accepting of the whole shit show and the effects it had on everything and that there is no righting it all.

I suspect Jackie had some tough years ahead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhQ0CrJ1Xs&pp=ygUNamF6eiBqZW5uaW5ncw%3D%3D

I wanted to learn how influencers influence so I can see through them. I noted that Jazz is using the (unnatural) 'trust me' hand gestures prescribed along with the script next to the camera lens.

Yes. Life experience, relationships, sometimes having children of your own, it all helps to form our self analysis.

What worries me, is that people like Jackie Green will always have the life experience of a ten-year-old.

Jazz Jennings has said the same in their recent video.

It's disgusting manipulation by their parents, in my opinion.

No child suddenly believes that their body is wrong, because of their behaviour or their choices.

(I had an abusive mother. It was in my 30's that I stopped making excuses for her behaviour and also when I began to realise that things I'd thought we're my choices actually hadn't been)

That sounds about right - but I think I was into my 40s before I realised that there was not a way to put it 'right'.

I wonder if that's significant. Jackie was the first child.

Yes. It's a 'devil and the deep blue sea' scenario.

It's a horrible situation. Getting 'trans kids' to understand what's happened to them is going to bring their life crashing down and negatively affect their support network.

That's no reason not to do it, because otherwise you're just perpetuating the problem, of course.

But it's not without damage.

No idea that Jackie was 30. I hope they find some peace as they get older.

One of the saddest things for me is how often Jackie repeats that all these things were their choice. 'I wanted it... I chose those photos... I wasn't forced into it...' and variations of those things crop up again and again.

I wonder if, after Jackie had made the video, they mulled that over a bit more. I wonder if they may at some point start to change their perspective on it being a good thing.

3 younger brothers.

Yes. I felt very uneasy about it. It made me think about my own kids and how loyal they are to me. If I had made catastrophically bad parenting choices and someone did a justified critique of my actions I think my kids would want to stick up for me too. It’s uncomfortable to see that play out.

Doesn't Jackie have siblings? I don't know if nieces and nephews would make things worse or better if you can't have your own children. It probably depends on the family. I hope Jackie is close to any siblings, I hope there's a good support network beyond mum.

most parents want good outcomes/good mental health for our children

Yes

It is so odd to want a bare branch on your family tree. I feel so bad for all the families harmed by the ideology who will have a child with increased disabilities, care responsibilities, stress and a bare branch. The 'be kind' lot will be delighted with themselves and off having babies and not giving a second thought to the destruction they caused.

@SpeedSnap - I agree that was clumsy wording. I meant (fairly obviously I think) that most parents want good outcomes/good mental health for our children. Happiness is shorthand for that.

SG's whole shtick is that for Jackie it was a choice between transition or death. So transition was the only way forward. Jackie's whole identity is bound up in that transition being successful, that the vast sums of money and time spent on transition were 'worth it' and that it absolutely proves that some people are born in the wrong body. If Jackie is absolutely bloody miserable, then it begs the question of what the hell it was all for.

Incidentally (and this isn't in response to your post but a separate point), the video game that Jackie plays is this. The player can switch between different characters and they all have different magical abilities. It has a 12 rating in the U.K.

You forget the manga inspired dressing as a Japanese schoolgirl.

That was one of the things early on that made me feel deeply uncomfortable with sibling. As well as the faux simpering fake voice and gestures.

Every parent wants their child to be happy

I don't understand that statement especially on a thread like this.

Every adult and every parent don't want all children to be happy or to have a good outcome.

There would be no need for safeguarding or the justice system if that was the case.

Also this feelings thing and happy thing!

All this concern about feelings and throwing away thinking things through, it is unhelpful.

I have never in my life met the Unicorn 'happy' all the time person, could a human survive beng constantly happy? What happens when they need fear to safeguard themselves? Do they permanently grin to themselves in joy as a rabid bear attacks them in the woods?

the way I see it for why now:

Jackie is reaching a chronological age where Jackie's peers will be settling down, partners, houses, weddings, children, fulfilling sex lives...

I suspect Jackie is beginning to look at how and why their life is like it is. why they still aren't living the dream they were promised as a child. Seeing friends have healthy satisfying lives, when they are plainly unhappy, confused and not yet ready to accept the truth of what was done to them as a child.

(I had an abusive mother. It was in my 30's that I stopped making excuses for her behaviour and also when I began to realise that things I'd thought we're my choices actually hadn't been)

Even with an obviously much younger mental age than their actual years life around Jackie will be showing Jackie that something's not right in Jackies history.

Susies firing from Mermaids might also have been a chance for the protective mum is always right bubble to get a small hole.

But there does seem to be a strange urge to treat MtFs in particular, like young schoolgirls, and for them to behave as such.

School girls don't get treated well.

No, real schoolgirls don't. It's infantilisation and there is of course a weird fixation in some circles with a fantasy version of what many males believe or choose to believe is what it's like to be a young girl - pyjama parties, pampering, Daddy's little princess, none of the nasty stuff that the poor old boys have to put with, etc etc.

I haven't watched the video. It sounds grim. I feel very sorry for JG but as others have said we all know that many vulnerable adults were badly let down in childhood, but even so there comes a point when they are expected to take responsibility for their choices and actions.

I've watched the whole video. I noticed Jackie says at some point to the camera 'get some therapy'. I presume Jackie has had therapy at some point, although perhaps not as an adult. I wonder what would be the outcome of some proper therapy now. I suspect Jackie has buried emotions very very deeply and daren't bring them out for exploration.

Jackie's tiktok is really sad.

I agree with you @RedToothBrush that Jackie is in an absolutely impossible position. And under a huge amount of pressure. Imagine knowing that your mother's entire career is built around you? Every parent wants their child to be happy but most of us haven't built a life around our child's happiness.

There are loads of people I know who live with the guilt that their parents made huge financial sacrifices to send them to private school and then they they flunked their exams. That is just a a feather compared to the massive weight of expectation on JG.

It's really interesting that Jackie has resurfaced now. I wonder what has sparked it? Posie's takedown of the Ted talk was ages ago.

I feel desperately sorry for Jackie.

There's certainly discussion to be had about what constitutes capacity. And, in terms of Jackie Green, I wholeheartedly agree that what Jackie has to say is up for scrutiny and comment. Because Jackie is something of a poster child for trans ideology. it needs challenging every step of the way.

Upthread, someone likened Jackie to a TRA. And I think that's the issue, for me.

Transactivism was done to Jackie. Jackie didn't have a vested interest. It was Susie Green who had that.

It's not so much that I'm concerned with the effects on Jackie, even. It's that I think we're listening to a kid. It's less about their accountability, in a way, and more about the fact that what they say is bollocks kids' chat. Because I genuinely think they have the brain of a child due to never having gone through puberty.

Personally, I really, really think the time is massively overdue for a study into the effects of puberty blockers on mental development and emotional maturity.

And we all know why it's not forthcoming. I guarantee, the results would be the end of transitioning children.

When i watched it last night I was left with an incredibly sad feeling. Watching Jackie hear KJK's words and the silences followed by insults seemed like Jackie was having a very hard time finding oneself in a position of actually hearing the truth about their life for the first time.

I found it interesting that JG says it was actually a slightly older cousin who told them when they were little 'maybe you could have an operation' to turn you from a boy to a girl. Absolutely this rings true, it's just such magical childlike thinking - and before then, like Posie, I had imagined it was SG implanting the seed of the idea of medicalisation. Of course, it's just kid imaginings.

Oh to be able to go back in time and for SG as a parent/any adult then present in JG's life to say, 'sorry lovely, no, that's not actually how life works. Anyway, there is no need for a magic wand. Enjoy the toys and the dresses and the friendship with girls as you are. Nothing wrong with you. Right, what's for tea...

Just so devastating for all the lives Mermaids has crapped up because one woman couldn't say no to her 6 year old...

School girls don't get treated well.

This is all about pandering to a certain subset of men by women and men.