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The tide has turned in the lesbian capital of the UK

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littleripper · 24/04/2023 21:34

I was shocked but delighted to see this on the HebWeb, Hebden Bridge's community website.
https://www.hebdenbridge.co.uk/forum/2023/006.html
Sadly the letter by Dave Boardman (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11130491/Music-academy-lecturer-sacked-comments-drag-queens-femininity-takes-legal-action.html Cathy's dad) has been removed due to legal threats but the comments are still up

Lecturer 'sacked for suggesting drag acts are a gross caricature'

Cathy Boardman, a former lecturer in cultural studies at a Brighton music college, claims she has been forced out of her job after she asked her class to reflect on whether 'womanface' is demeaning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11130491/Music-academy-lecturer-sacked-comments-drag-queens-femininity-takes-legal-action.html

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Flickersy · 26/07/2023 12:33

littleripper · 26/07/2023 12:29

The poster really does raise more and more questions the more you look
Is the Witch a GC feminist - are we all included after all?
Are just the fairies 'not villains' or all the monsters?
Who are the villains?

There's no need for the faux-confusion. Its a bunch of fictional / fairytale characters, both stereotypically good (fairies, knights etc) and bad (ogres, goblins etc) all living together happily - hence the "and they all lived happily ever after etc etc". The point is there are no villains, everyone gets along and so forth.

littleripper · 26/07/2023 12:29

The poster really does raise more and more questions the more you look
Is the Witch a GC feminist - are we all included after all?
Are just the fairies 'not villains' or all the monsters?
Who are the villains?

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IcakethereforeIam · 26/07/2023 12:25

Why are they all sleeping walking? Why has the trans troll been stabbed in the eye with an intersex flag? Why is 'they' so big?....No, wait. I've got that one!

littleripper · 26/07/2023 12:21

My immediate thought was "Gay people are vampires and ogres" it is so weird.

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Namechange5508 · 26/07/2023 12:18

I can’t get worked up about this. I can’t imagine many children standing there and looking at this long enough to notice the mastectomy scars. I’m a GC feminist and I am also deeply troubled by the movement to enable people to have healthy body parts removed and take meds for the rest of their lives. I can also see the bigger impact this movement has on women on girls.

But this poster just seems fairly anodyne a message when you look at it at a glance, as I’m sure most of us (esp kids) will. It’s celebrating difference and I’m all for that.

Maybe I need to call in and look at it in context though?

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Stoodley · 30/04/2023 07:56

CuriousMoo · 28/04/2023 23:07

Yeah those stickers are vile. Good to know it's only a few people doing that.

Let's hope such a lovely little town continues to be inclusive and accepting of its trans residents who helped make it what it is today.

It is fortunate that Hebden Bridge is very accepting of trans people however there are certain sections of its population that are not very tolerant of women, especially lesbians that may not want to accept men into their spaces.

If you’re one of the problematic women The Witch Finder General and her gang will seek out these pesky women, complain to anyone they can, search their social media, target their employers, threaten them with police action and demand their silence or else.
So much for being kind, huh?

This is bullying on a town-wide scale and the local Labour Party need to get a grip of that person as she is thoroughly toxic and responsible for much of the division in this community.

DdraigGoch · 29/04/2023 11:30

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/04/2023 08:52

Grin

'vile'

any other dictionary definitions that are vile?

Ardvark - a nocturnal badger-sized burrowing mammal of Africa, with long ears, a tubular snout, and a long extensible tongue, feeding on ants and termites.

how do you feel about that one?

C
noun
Big blue wobbly thing that fish live in

-Baldrick

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/04/2023 10:39

MargotBamborough · 29/04/2023 10:13

Only people with the right beliefs should be included and accepted, apparently.

Ikr. I’d really like this answered in a way that is congruent to a belief in human rights for all.

MargotBamborough · 29/04/2023 10:14

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/04/2023 09:53

I really don’t see why women who have been cancelled, sacked from jobs etc, have to include the very same people who have done this to them.

Neither do I.

Or why we should have to come up with euphemisms for female person such as AFAB and cervix haver and use them about ourselves in order to include people who don't want the word "woman" to include them.

MargotBamborough · 29/04/2023 10:13

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/04/2023 09:34

Shouldn’t everyone feel included and accepted?

Only people with the right beliefs should be included and accepted, apparently.

Farmageddon · 29/04/2023 10:12

CathyBoardman · 25/04/2023 20:16

Yes it's very silly. And pushes things underground, and fosters resentment.

There's no reason that feminists and trans people can't get on. We don't all have to believe the same things in order treat each other well.

There's also no reason that we can't have women only events, or trans only events, or gay men only events.

We could have a party for only people who like psy trance music. I wouldn't want to go, but I would never try to ban it. I also wouldn't assume that a party aimed at a demographic that I don't belong to is planned as a personal slight to me.

Women's discos have been a staple of the valley for years. The long running one isn't women only anymore, and now we are only allowed to gather with other women if we do it privately and in secret.

That's progress for you.

Unfortunately, this requires common sense, which they are lacking. They don't want to 'get along' with women, they want to colonise our spaces and language and we're supposed to just shut up and take it. You're starting from a reasonable perspective, and they are starting from the perspective of wanting everyone to cow down to their demands. Therefore a compromise isn't going to work..

It reminds me of this quote:
"Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. "Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man.

Also, a trans only event would not work for many because it would reinforce that they are not the sex they claim to be - reality is not something they seem to want to accept. So women's groups must be infiltrated, and taken over.
'Be kind' has only gotten us trampled on.

MargotBamborough · 29/04/2023 10:09

CuriousMoo · 28/04/2023 23:07

Yeah those stickers are vile. Good to know it's only a few people doing that.

Let's hope such a lovely little town continues to be inclusive and accepting of its trans residents who helped make it what it is today.

You... think it's vile that women should object to being redefined as a gender identity without their consent?

Farmageddon · 29/04/2023 10:05

CuriousMoo · 24/04/2023 23:50

If you ever visit you'll be sad to see all the lovely pro-trans posters and flags up. The internet is not real life thank god.

You're totally right - the internet isn't real life, thank fuck.

Maybe you could try telling that to the trans extremists on Reddit and Twitter who delete, edit and filter their whole online existence and then can't seem to handle actual reality out in the real world.

There'a a reason they're so angry, and it's because in order to get what they want, they need everybody to play along with their self delusion. Those of us who won't play ball must be demonised, instead of them facing reality. It must be exhausting having to pretend all the time.

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/04/2023 09:53

I really don’t see why women who have been cancelled, sacked from jobs etc, have to include the very same people who have done this to them.

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/04/2023 09:34

CuriousMoo · 28/04/2023 23:07

Yeah those stickers are vile. Good to know it's only a few people doing that.

Let's hope such a lovely little town continues to be inclusive and accepting of its trans residents who helped make it what it is today.

Shouldn’t everyone feel included and accepted?

soddingspiderseason · 29/04/2023 09:22

Stickers saying that women are adult human females are "vile" apparently. Except, it's a statement of biological fact. And therein lies the beating heart of the problem. Women being told that they can no longer gather together in public - perfectly fine apparently. Males in women's prisons, sports, rape support services - all absolutely fine. Women afraid to say how they feel about this issue for fear of losing their jobs - fine. But a sticker stating reality is "vile". No wonder people are now getting tired of this gaslighting ideology.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/04/2023 08:52

CuriousMoo · 28/04/2023 23:07

Yeah those stickers are vile. Good to know it's only a few people doing that.

Let's hope such a lovely little town continues to be inclusive and accepting of its trans residents who helped make it what it is today.

Grin

'vile'

any other dictionary definitions that are vile?

Ardvark - a nocturnal badger-sized burrowing mammal of Africa, with long ears, a tubular snout, and a long extensible tongue, feeding on ants and termites.

how do you feel about that one?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/04/2023 08:47

CuriousMoo · 28/04/2023 23:03

You are ridiculous.

you REALLY love flags I take it?

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/04/2023 00:07

Well done stickerwomen everywhere.

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/04/2023 00:06

Nobody can deny that this is a real issue in real towns and communities, even the Labour Party, who appear to be taking a typical authoritarian line, so women are the only group not permitted to organise separately. I hope friends I know there are the ones contributing to the web page, but sad they have to be anonymous. I will be digging for Cathy also.

Beamur · 28/04/2023 23:16

Vile? It's a simple statement of fact.
But I agree that I hope it continues to be an inclusive and accepting place for all of it's residents.

CuriousMoo · 28/04/2023 23:07

Beamur · 25/04/2023 09:13

I live near here. It's a very inclusive place and yes, there are lots of trans posters up at the moment. Pride is coming.
I've also had a brush with one of the local councillors who was dreadful on this issue. Made the mistake of asking a question and was harangued. They're decent local councillors but Labour is totally captured.
It's also terf central. There's someone/several people who sticker around quite a lot. Used a shopping trolley with an adult human female sticker on it recently.

Yeah those stickers are vile. Good to know it's only a few people doing that.

Let's hope such a lovely little town continues to be inclusive and accepting of its trans residents who helped make it what it is today.

CuriousMoo · 28/04/2023 23:03

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/04/2023 18:27

The national front of my childhood REALLY loved flags

I’ve heard they were a little unsavoury

plus, yanno, actual Nazis. No personal experience admittedly, but I think we can trust the prevailing view there

plus every weird neighbour with a flag pole in his garden. It’s just a sign that he’s going to want to talk to you at length about potholes

You are ridiculous.