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Debate on Tran's and a comment about Kathleen Stock

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Hawkins003 · 22/04/2023 17:20

For all the knowledgeable mumsnetters
Who's correct and who's mistaken ?

This is how it started

#oxfess23322
Not gonna lie, #Oxhate to the Oxford Union hosting the "Gender Critical" Kathleen Stock later this term. As a trans guy who just wants to live his life with joy and is more than well aware of the increasing Western stripping and dehumanisation of trans rights, the last thing we need now is promotion of such people who actively push back against a minority who just want to live their lives, especially from such a prestigious university. Trans people are people, we are valid and we deserve respect and not being exposed to such bigotry

Then the response by one commenter was

I don't know much about the whole debate, but then what about the freedoms etc that have been won by certain genders now getting eroded ?

Then a person replied in two parts saying

That isn't really to do with transgender people just wanting their right to live as their desired gender- that's more to do with the increasing enforcement of toxic patriarchal ideas and rising fascistic tendencies of the Western world as a result of the weaknesses of democratic systems popular conservative governments and men such as Trump who then in turn bring along misogynistic allies who stay long after such leaders are gone. This in turn makes misogynists generally more confident to speak their actual mind. Karl Popper's Tolerance Paradox can also be inserted into this conversation

This was their second part

And the problem with this is that along with this number of people in politics with misogynist ideas comes a majority of misogynists in law making sectors- think the Supreme Court - that when harmful proposals such as the repeal of Roe Vs Wade are put through a Supreme Court vote, then the more likely that it is that such laws will go through. And the problem with such systems as the jury in the Supreme Court is that once they are elected or chosen, then they are there for the long term and can't be gotten rid of

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JolyGoodBloviator · 22/04/2023 17:42

The US Democrats failed to legislate for abortion at the federal level because a Brighton based academic says there is no such thing as a lesbian with a penis?

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nilsmousehammer · 22/04/2023 17:31

As far as I can work out, the argument seems to be:

Don't permit any woman to talk about supporting women's rights (which in theory may lead to people feeling that I should stop misogynistically using women's spaces without conscience for the harm I do to women while doing it) in case theoretically one day that butterfly flap might become Trump/someone else bad getting into power who turns out to have misogynistic theoretical proposals to put before government for their consideration.

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