Has anyone else been forced to become Conservative after all of this?

If they're activists probably because labour are wobbling slightly as they are hitting reality.

The extreme left want to reconstruct reality and not be hampered by it.

That's Keir Starmers problem. He's signed up to the ideology and is now playing chicken with reality.

Of course some Trans people are conservative, accept reality and just want to live a quiet life in the way that helps them.
But they are not the ones seeking a cultural queer revolution.

GC people need to stop allying themselves with right wingers who are at best controversial and at worst dangerous.
It's really stupid to do so based on one point of agreement where the motivations are definitely not aligned. These people do not give a shit about the safety and protection of women and girls.

There's extremism on both sides but there's a pretence that one side is being measured and proportionate. Voting Tory, validating scum like Jordan Peterson and Brendan O'Neill is dangerous and is destroying any reasonable argument.

A few points raised on this thread haven’t been accurate, for example that the Cass review was commissioned by this Tory government. It wasn’t. It’s an NHS thing.
Not a government thing. The Cass review began in 2020 with interim report in 2022.

Here’s a link to the terms of reference which sets out the background:

https://cass.independent-review.uk/about-the-review/frequently-asked-questions/

TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR REVIEW OF GENDER IDENTITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICE FOR CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS
INTRODUCTION

1. NHS England is the responsible commissioner for specialised gender identity services for children and adolescents. The Gender Identity Development Service for children and adolescents is currently managed by the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust.
2. In recent years there has been a significant increase in the number of referrals to the Gender Identity Development Service, and this has occurred at a time when the service has moved from a psychosocial and psychotherapeutic model to one that also prescribes medical interventions by way of hormone drugs. This has contributed to growing interest in how the NHS should most appropriately assess, diagnose and care for children and young people who present with gender incongruence and gender identity issues.
3. It is in this context that NHS England and NHS Improvement’s Quality and Innovation Committee has asked Dr Hilary Cass to chair an independent review, and to make recommendations on how to improve services for children and young people experiencing issues with their gender identity or gender incongruence, and ensure that the best model/s for safe and effective services are commissioned.

Yes queer culture as the new norm and the dismantling of everything built on the past, good and bad, is a cultural revolution supported by the left, and being imposed top down.

It's not a culture war started by the right, it's a resistance to this new imposed leftist cultural revolution. It's posited as a new utopia where everyone can be whatever they want and all past injustice will have been erased.

But it won't be utopia, it'll be hell, because it will require forced compliance and silencing of those who don't agree and the punishment of innocent people because of their immutable characteristics. Sounds like hell to me.

The left support this, and the Trans ideology is just a consistent part of this.

It's not just a separate add on to the lefts position it's consistent with their philosophy.

Labour's support for Trans self id is a feature not a bug.

Going by what I read on Reddit, many trans people are very disillusioned with Labour and are determined not to vote for them. In fact there are a couple of threads on r/transgenderuk quite similar to this one, with people wondering who they can vote for when they feel no party represents their interests.

even a plaque added to acknowledge Colston's role in slavery.

This seems completely fair though, an acknowledgment of the dark past of the nice stuff. It seems really odd that a campaign around that was ineffective, considering that every man and his dog can get a blue plaque these days. Perhaps the council is just crap when it comes to this sort of thing and they keep pushing it to the bottom of the agenda. I remember Bristol council was crap about strip clubs back in the day too.

And then there's Diane Abbott.

I think it's actually down to a lot more than purely that. I think what the tories have come to represent for particular demographics who feel threatened by the force of societal change and how it risks upending everything they felt was 'normal' is a very real thing.

The Conservatives have not said they are going to restrict abortion. You can obviously pick Tory MPs whose personal views are anti-abortion but you can do that for other parties. When Stella Creasey was campaigning re NI abortion rights it was a cross party group which had the support of Andrea Ledsome and Sir Peter Bottomly.

Yes, the people of Bristol want to topple the statue while still enjoying living in the properties he built. Hypocrites.

How about you tear down everything he built, do a deep dive into everything he gave to Bristol and wreck them, instead of continuing to enjoying it all while you try to disassociate from this beneficiary of the city and how that wealth was gained?

Hypocrites. That statue belongs as a reminder that your nice stuff has a dark past.

In fact the slavery museum in Liverpool has been existence since the 1980's but in 2007 developed its distinct identity as separate from the Maritime Museum.

I was learning about slavery and 'the triangular trade' in my junior school in the 1970's. And Alex Haley's 'Roots' was one of the most watched TV series at around the same time.There has been a slavery museum in Liverpool since 2007 and there had been black history months for many years before that. Liverpool decided it didn't need to topple statues and that education was a better way forward.

It is U.S political culture thatis now pushing this narrative along with the adoption of U.S created critical race theory. That some people push back against this group identity style politics does not make them manipulated by 'right wing media'.

No I’m not a Conservative and find it insulting if anyone suggests that believing in women and girls rights means you must be right wing.

I’m not sure who I’ll vote for but it won’t be for the Torys. I may spoil my ballot.

It seems a bit rich for people who are actively engaged in pushing certain cultural narratives to be so dismissive of those that question them.

I'm a lifelong green/Labour voter however as a female and mum of girls, my number 1 is retaining womens rights and their ability to have safe spaces and protections. So I am probably going to vote Tory for the first time ever, as whilst NHS is important, I want to be able to request a woman for a smear, or a rape kit, or an intimate exam and know I am getting a woman with the same body as me, not one with a penis 🙄
I care that women from ethnic minority or different religious backgrounds can access things like public toilets, gyms, etc.
Everything else pales if I can't even define myself and risk being fired for stating obvious biological truths.

I want the indoctrination out of our schools. I want the mInstreaming of kink and perversion to be out of schools. I want it ok for lesbians to say they are attracted to women and that doesn't include Penis.
I want paedophilia back in its box and well away from my kids.
I see labour, lib dem and greens doing nothing for women except working to strip them of all rights.

Nope. I'm politically homeless. Used to be a Labour/Lib Dem voter, but I would never even consider voting Conservative.

No because I’m more concerned about other issues/policies.

When have the Conservatives said they are going to restrict abortion access?

Individual MPs have their own private beliefs - and so, for example, Labour MP Frank Field, who is a catholic, is opposed to abortion, as Is Jacob Rees Mogg, as was the former Lib Dem leader.....A lot was made of SNP Katie Forbes personal religious commitment but she never made a public issue of it, nor de she suggest she would be repealing any laws should she be leader. Meanwhile Humza Yousaf is a Muslim and as such is opposed to gay marriage and abortion but that didn't stop him being elected as leader of the SNP.

People are entitled to their own beliefs - but the issue of abortion in Britain is settled. I wish people would stop adopting U.S political positions.

I have fuck all patience for people who think that if I prioritise one thing then I must have no interest or concern for anything else. Women's rights and self ID are the hill I'm prepared to die on. Vote according to your own conscience and fuck off judging others.

This!

Have you even read the many contributions of people who have posted here? Many of us have been spoiling our ballots for years - for the reason that democracy has to mean something; and why would anyone vote for a political party who is committed to an ideology that will, and is, resulting in the erasure of women as a sex class?

Because some men want to be called women, it means that women have to be referred to as 'cis'; and because some women don't want to be called women, it means that the words woman, girls, mother are effectively censured and replaced by insulting and redictive 'neutral' language.

When Eddie Izzard would potentially be counted as a female member of parliament; and when men win awards that were meant to celebrate women - what would you call that? And why would you vote for this if you fundamentally cared about women as a distinct group of human being?

Do you care about the women in prison forced to share a shower with a man who uses the opportunity to intimidate her? Do you care about the girls forced to use a mixed sex toilet at school? Do you care about the women who will be excluded should males be permitted into their single sex swimming sessions?

I'm not sure how long is it have you been involved with women's issues
but If you care about women how can you ignore their concerns, their dignity or their erasure?

I am going to vote on the Tory because of this issue and the views expressed by the local labour candidate and labour HQ. I have never voted tory before but to me this issue is the most important issue - I feel sad about this especially as I am in a marginal constituency.

I've moved, over a number of years from being a labour voter to being much more small c conservative in my views.

This issue has been one of reasons for that.

Many of you act as if Labours support of self id is just a separate aberration from their philosophy. It's not.

Old fashion socialism was identify politics based on economics, but at the core it's based on the idea of oppressed and oppressors. This philosophy on the left has now just shifted to different identities beyond economics as oppressed and oppressor.

If your philosophy is based around trying to identify the most oppressed identity, then you of course end up seeking out smaller and smaller groups at the fringes of society who claim to be more and more marginal than anyone else.

You throw in some pure social constructionism, 'lived experience' is everything, and you've got many new Most Oppressed groups.

Labour's support for Trans self id is a feature not a bug.

I've moved away from this thinking, as it's become clearer to me what it is, and now am more conservative, meaning: I think there is reality, I think trying to force utopia from the top down is dangerous, I think many societal structures are important and necessary even if they don't work for everyone, I think we should accommodate the fringe but not allow it to control society.

Saying all that I think the current Tory party are a waste of space. Even on this issue they've allowed it to develop and won't get on with sorting it out. I want action.

The Tories have also been infected by the belief that acceptance of everyone is the only 'kind' position and they want to avoid being the 'nasty' party and they're only just waking up from this with the likes of Badenoch and Braverman being prepared to withstand the onslaught from the left they will get if they point out reality.

This thinking is still all over this thread. It honestly baffles me how anyone can see how Labour have supported self id but then still believe they are morally superior to the Tories.
It's illogical.

I’m a floating voter but I can confidently say there’s nothing that would ever make me vote for the conservatives.

Unless tory policies on other crucial areas of life align with your views, it would be utterly ridiculous to vote tory based on one issue.

I'd have more sympathy for @Squamata 's post if Labour / Greens / LibDem had not been taking refuge in culture wars for years themselves.

Not really a substitute for solid economic policies . Like a serious social housing programme or nationalising railways.

Kenan Malik wrote a great article ' Why culture wars only work for the Right' - from memory. But I can't find it now 😭