Has anyone else been forced to become Conservative after all of this?

I wonder how Labour will live with itself if it throws away all these women's votes, and maybe even the chance to govern, all because it's in thrall to a reality denying ideology? Will there be a reckoning, or it will it palm off any blame onto women who refuse to go along with their nonsense?

Tory - Been in for 13 years and my life has gotten much worse under them, knows what a woman is, because they would prefer them chained to a kitchen sink.

I genuinely don't understand how people can actually write things like this! The cliches the left hang onto are bonkers.
Is that what women who vote conservative do? Chain themselves to a sink?

Reading this website has certainly made me realise how nonsensical much of the left's view of the right is. It's incoherent.

If I vote conservative I'm voting that way because I want me and all the generations of women in my family chained to a sink.

Exactly. I don't see Tories claiming gender is a social construction, either.

That doesn't meant you vote conservative. It's frankly ridiculous and pretty disgusting that you'd be willing to hold up that party after everything they've done.

Ballot spoiling will be a last resort. I'm hoping for an independent candidate with a functioning brain. I've never seriously considered the independents before but I'm beginning to think there's a lot to be said for an MP who isn't tied to a party line.

Jeesus please don't vote conservative! Just ruin your ballot with the words ADULT HUMAN FEMALE.

What depresses me more is that Labour could sort this out in a heartbeat.

They 'clarified' a huge amount of things before Brexit too...
Can't believe people falling for more lies from them - they just say what they think we want to hear.
This thread is so depressing.

TooBigForMyBoots · Today 15:08

I believe he is standing down. We had a very good Labour woman before him.

I am not tea! In trying to correct a spelling error I pressed “post” instead! Trying again:-

I am really sad that for the first time ever I won’t be voting in an election. I’m a fan of many of Labour’s policies, but I can’t vote for TWAW nonsense. The Conservatives know what a woman is - thankfully - but I can’t vote for them for many other reasons. Lib Dems seem equally confused about what a woman is. I feel like I’m really letting down Emilia Pankhurst and all the suffragettes, but realistically I can’t see that any of the current parties align closely enough with my core beliefs to get my vote 😑

No way. The Tories are hopeless on climate change and appear to be actually going backwards on net zero.

I am tea

Hell no.

I would never vote Tory, the only exception being if someone had a gun at my head and even then I'd still consider not doing it!!!!

The way I see it is that I've become distinctly more untribal. I'm now interested in ideas and policies which can be good or bad irrespective of which side(s) of the political spectrum they come from.

The trouble with this is that, in several past elections, I've looked at Tory manifestoes, pledges, promises and policies, and thought to myself, "Actually, a lot of that doesn't look so bad… maybe I should reconsider my attitude to voting Conservative…?" and then reminded myself that this happens EVERY TIME. Every time there's an election, I have this little conversation with myself, then I give myself a shake, vote for a non-Tory, the Tories get in, and they do exactly the Tory shit you'd expect a Tory to do.

Not that it makes any difference what I do, or at least, not in general elections. My Tory MP gets in with an absolute majority. Forget pig with a rosette, round here they'd vote in the mummified body of Chairman Mao if the ballot paper said (Conservative).

This.

There is no long term data on that. You cannot know this to be true.

I thought detransistion was about the rapid adolescent onset transistion of vulnerable teenage girls who in previous generations would have just been tom boys or butch lesbians who had been wrongly assimilated into the trans cause.

But I have since heard detransition stories from what we might call old school transexuals - effeminate gay men with persistent cross sex identification who fully medically transitioned. One of whom transitioned back in the 70s or 80s when it was a much longer process trying to be sure it was the correct path.

I appreciate that adults can pay to have permanent body modification cosmetic surgery whether I like it or not - but I can think the doctors who perform these surgeries as solutions to psychological disorders are charlatans breaking the Hippocratic oath whether they perform them on women wanting to look younger or men who want to be women. But absolutely they should not be done on adolescents nor on the NHS.

It is harmful.

God no.

Crispin Blunt
Penny Mordaunt
Amber Rudd
Nicky Morgan
Theresa May
Maria Miller
Caroline Nokes

They have led us to the brink under 13 years of Conservative rule, and thousands of women like me have fought back at often great personal cost to get a debate to even begin to take place.

I'd rather vote Communist or spoil my ballot paper.

No, never.

What is trans? According to the left anyone who says they are trans are trans, no drugs or (horrendous) surgery required.

Do you think there would be as many men claiming to be women if they knew they couldn't access female only single sex spaces and services? I don't.

I also don't think there would be as many confused kids (especially girls) if gender ideology wasn't being pushed in schools, and while I admit this happened on the Conservative's watch, they are now taking steps to change this nonsense being taught to vulnerable kids. Unfortunately the SNP/Greens here in Scotland are happy to keep spreading nonsense and teaching it as fact.

Here in Scotland it was the Conservatives speaking up during the self id horror show that unfolded before Xmas and it is the UK gov that have stopped self id being passed, I'm thankful for that.
I don't want my daughter growing up thinking she has to trust a strange man in her changing room or that he is somehow not dangerous because he is wearing a dress. I want her to be able to trust her instincts and be able to live without lying or being lied to. No one can change sex, no one has to either, not unless you believe sexist stereotypes are what make a man or women, I believe in biology, not gender ideology.

I think it's possible for your personal politics to differ from who you vote for.

I would vote for the SDP if they stood a candidate in my area as they are closest to representing my views but I don't think they will.

Labour, LibDems and Greens don't want my vote because I understand basic biology so I will not demean myself by supporting them. I have spoilt my ballot whilst I waited for one of them to come to their senses but I can't see that happening.

I will almost certainly vote Conservative for the first time at the next election. The contest locally will be between the LibDems and the Tories and despite being a life long LibDem voter I want him out. I can hardly believe this is where I am but it is what it is.

Clearly I am very stupid for being a single issue voter who must hate poor and disabled people and obviously I would like to see refugees drowning in the English channel and the complete collapse of the NHS.

I have fuck all patience for people who think that if I prioritise one thing then I must have no interest or concern for anything else. Women's rights and self ID are the hill I'm prepared to die on. Vote according to your own conscience and fuck off judging others.

Sympathies Rose. Is he standing again next year?

I agree with just about everything you say except for the opening - I'm no longer a member and, even if they come to their senses, I think I've seen too much of their authoritarian underbelly to ever consider rejoining.

I think the most revealing thing about Starmer's '99.9%' comment wasn't how stupid it was but how truculent he sounded about being forced to talk about something so (in his world) unimportant. It's told me a lot.

I'm still a Labour member (just) but I have generally gotten less partisan politically. I'll see who my local candidates are and how they are on this issue before deciding how much/little of my time to volunteer and who ultimately to vote for and whether to stay a member.

Of course I care about the NHS and all the rest of it.

But there is something about how politicians are handling this issue that deeply disturbs me. It's not simple open disagreement about how to best balance the rights of women and transpeople. It is the denial of reality, the lack of concern for children and young people, the lack of concern for women under the care of the state, authoritarianism, the scorn for people who disagree, the refusal to be clear.

I don't want to be gaslit. If they are willing to lie about this stuff to our faces...

I still hope they'll come around, hopefully they'll hear more from detransistioners and rethink the whole thing.

Yes I’ll be voting Tory, the other parties have got to understand that women’s rights are a vote winner.

I don't think voting strategically necessarily changes you into a supporter of that party per se. I remember (aeons ago) strategically voting for the Lib Dem in Richmond. The Conservatives were the only other contenders. I was a supporter of neither party.

This did not turn me into a liberal Democrat. Indeed, I would not vote for the Liberal Democrats (even strategically) today. They seem to support policies which (in my opinion) increase the opportunity for potential paedophiles, and sex offenders, to to access their victims. So, my voting previously voting strategically did not turn me into a Liberal Democrat, or make me ok with their current policies. If I had to choose between Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats today, I might even regard the Conservatives as the lesser evil. The Liberal Democrats' misogyny and (what appears to me )uncritical disdain for proper safeguarding, not to mention reality or Science, would repulse me.