Loos 'cleaned by all genders'

With the problem of attracting employees generally, let alone cleaning public loos, I guess it's a case of whoever they get to do the job.

Am I the only one who always feel guilty using a loo that the cleaner has just cleaned when the cleaner is in the room?

And an actual male cleaner would be leaning on a mop, watching an actual female cleaner doing the work while telling her where she was going wrong.

If 78 people are cleaning that loo, it'll need to be located in a pretty big cubicle.

That's not the point, and there is a 'fuss' for two good reasons:

1. As other posters have pointed out, there are some women who can't use mixed sex public loos and therefore the messaging on this needs to be clear (and I think women need to have access to single-sex spaces).

2. The signs (mine and the OP's) both demonstrate the pernicious misuse of the word gender, and the ridiculous lengths people will go to to avoid saying sex, even if this is what they mean.

If only male cleaners are available to clean the women's loos, the sign could simply be: "Male cleaner in attendance."

And for some women no mixed space is an option.

Imagine bursting for a pee, seeing that sign and knowing it's a disabled loo if you're lucky, or you're searching for the next nearest one while trying to hold on.

This is about the women not sufficiently privileged to be able to make a choice. If there's a male in there they cannot go in . These women need access to the world too. At least an employee is going to be there briefly, and tell you that they are there.

Of course it may not be possible to wait or find an alternative, but better to be forewarned at least and to be aware that someone is actively present cleaning.

When bursting for a pee choice is generally not an option. No male cleaners is better.

This. Whenever I see a male cleaner I always object. Usually they say something like 'no-one else can get in', which is bs. Allowing male clearners to clean women's lavatories allows ANY man in - all he needs is dark trousers and a lanyard. My DH hates that women clean male toilets, too, he says it is undignified for the women and the men. Opposite sex cleaners need to be illegal.

It's fairly easy to identify a cleaner - they usually have cleaning things with them.
It's unreasonable to expect small businesses to employ two cleaners, one female and one male (remember, equality means the men's loo will also need a men's cleaner) - so any law would get nowhere near being passed.

I get the point of your post, but it's just not practical.

For the protection of women and girls no man should be allowed to clean a woman’s toilet. This needs to be made illegal. No, let's not go back to making cleaning toilets women's work.

I don’t think that’s going to be very clean.

What a lot of fuss. You know what they meant.

Unfortunately all are incidents women have had to deal with - those being the women who can use a mixed sex space. Many have just had to stop going in there. Inclusion needs to apply to them too.

Well if you have witnessed all these that you mention in your local convenience

the male employee wank noisily in a cubicle, wave around a sword with which to punish any female who dares to breathe too loudly, stuff used tampons up his bum, take selfies of self with females (breathless thrills) or try to have pyjama parties/hand out tampons/instigate pillow fights or otherwise make a complete arse of themselves

then yes I guess I am lucky to have avoided it.

You're very lucky.

Wouldn't it be lovely if we lived in a world where all females were as lucky as you?

As long as the toilets are clean I don’t care who does the job.

OP, I see your sign and I raise you "cleaned by all gender team members."

Manchester Victoria railway station.

Seconded.

At once? Gosh it could get crowded.

I wonder if this needs to be moved to pedants corner I'm feeling all sorts of feelings but they're actually much more grammar related.

Male cleaners in the ladies are not ideal but also not new.

I just want to know if there'll be penis in there, because then I can know to avoid.

😂😂

Well of course it says that, I mean if they said male/female then the fairy unicorn non-binary trans cats would be in uproad that they'd been left out, wouldn't they?

I don’t give a tick what gender you think you are just stick a sign up saying if there’s a male cleaner in there AND how long they’re going to be. So I can choose if I want to use the facilities. Please fill up the soap dispenser and make sure the basin plug is not blocked and if at all possible shoot the hand dryer.

While you are thinking about extra facilities could we think about female carers who care for males over the age of 6. We need to piss sometimes. Ta

'All genders' is meaningless in that context. Like saying that the cleaners will all have different hairstyles. Who cares?

Actually, this thread shows that if biological sex actually would be erased from all language the concept of 'gender' would be superfluous. But things would be worse for women as sexism would not be erased, only our ability to clearly talk about whom it affects.