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Caroline Nokes supports the WI's decision to admit transwomen.

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FOJN · 18/04/2023 15:26

And that's not even the best part, the Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee thinks it's a depressing state of affairs to regard biological males as dangerous! It's almost as if the MoJ crime figures are really hard to access. Safeguarding is obviously discriminatory and oppressive.

Notice how she talk about trans rights and women's rights and then refers to trans rights campaigners and anti trans campaigners. She talks about the toxicity of the debate and how some protests have become violent but conveniently doesn't mention who perpetrates the violence.

She appears to think the trans community is the most marginalised and abused but seems ignorant of the abuse and violence women face.

She proves, yet again, that stupidity is not a barrier to a career in politics.

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1648240070602936321?s=20

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1648240070602936321?s=20

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ArabeIIaScott · 19/04/2023 11:20

TheWildOnesRunningWithTheDogs · 19/04/2023 10:16

I'm not a WI member so please correct me if I'm wrong. But do WI members get undressed at their meetings? Are they providing rape counselling or similar services? What's the issue with them admitting trans women?

Sorry to disappoint but there is no nudity at WI meetings.

Sometimes some women enjoy the company of other women, without males present.

This may just be for female companionship, or it may be because they feel more able to discuss intimate issues, or it may be for religious reasons.

TeenDivided · 19/04/2023 11:14

TheWildOnesRunningWithTheDogs · 19/04/2023 10:16

I'm not a WI member so please correct me if I'm wrong. But do WI members get undressed at their meetings? Are they providing rape counselling or similar services? What's the issue with them admitting trans women?

Either the WI wants to be a single sex organisation, in which case admitting any male born person makes it no longer single sex, Or it is happy to be mixed sex, in which case it should admit any male born person not just TW.

WI may well discuss e.g. menopause or whatever that they may not wish to discuss in front of people with different biology.

But you know this really, I'm sure.

TheWildOnesRunningWithTheDogs · 19/04/2023 10:16

I'm not a WI member so please correct me if I'm wrong. But do WI members get undressed at their meetings? Are they providing rape counselling or similar services? What's the issue with them admitting trans women?

EmmaEmerald · 19/04/2023 10:14

MagicSpring · 18/04/2023 18:31

I like beer and knitting, though too much of one has dire effects on the other.

Well, doh
if you spend all the time knitting, your hand will cramp and you'll drop your beer.

cut back on the knitting.

oldwomanwhoruns · 19/04/2023 10:11

Ah thanks for that correction @ArabeIIaScott

ArabeIIaScott · 19/04/2023 09:32

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That's Penny Mordaunt.

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SerendipityJane · 19/04/2023 08:47

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/04/2023 19:47

Caroline Nokes is one of the chief architects of the Tory Trans Inclusion policy. Her TWAW beliefs go way back.

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Well that's one reason I can't vote Tory.

mcduffy · 19/04/2023 06:42

RPMcMurphy · 18/04/2023 18:41

I have found my tribe #Beer&Knitting

The WI need to get a grip. I see Conservatives for Women have taken Lord Hague to task over his remarks and offered to meet with him. They have also taken on Nokes but she is a lost cause I’m afraid.
(See Twitter)

William Hague: Women’s Institute should welcome transgender women

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9ef241f6-dd55-11ed-9cc2-0f7e26ed83eb?shareToken=6ee00b0f0d6723ee944529fa38ce6f6e

TeenDivided · 19/04/2023 06:33

There is of course another knitting hero in Tom Daley .... Hmm

Rightsraptor · 18/04/2023 21:53

I just love how Mumsnetters turn silly, goady comments on their heads and make a huge joke out of them.

I love ❤️ the knitted beer mug, too.

For those of us who are past the first flush of youth, does anyone remember the model Jean Shrimpton? I'm sure I read about her having to go to nightclubs to network, as we'd say now but didn't then. She hated it and used to sit in a corner with her knitting.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/04/2023 19:47

bigbabycooker · 18/04/2023 15:56

Does she have a personal vested interest, or is she just a bit silly?

Caroline Nokes is one of the chief architects of the Tory Trans Inclusion policy. Her TWAW beliefs go way back.

JeanRondeausMadHair · 18/04/2023 19:03

MagicSpring · 18/04/2023 18:31

I like beer and knitting, though too much of one has dire effects on the other.

When you knit too much you can't hold your pint?

Jabiru · 18/04/2023 19:02

thats a shame, I quite liked her before that.

she’s dropped a bit of a bollock there

ZeldaFighter · 18/04/2023 19:00

gogohmm · 18/04/2023 15:49

I rent a space to the wi, several men attend with their wives or mothers (in the latter case their mothers need a carer) we have male members of the mothers Union too - nobody cares at all. Meanwhile I go to "boys night out" as I like beer not knitting Grin

So the men are not attending as male members (snigger) (sorry) - they are attending as carers. I don't think it's quite the same thing. I was an honorary member of the Mothers Union as a 16 year old because I helped my mum attend and would help out with teas (because I got free cake) and clearing up when there. I didn't believe I was a mother, nor use it to validate my identity (except as best daughter ever 😉 )

YouJustDoYou · 18/04/2023 18:45

Fluffycloudsblusky · 18/04/2023 17:47

Women should just set up their own groups. Call it Uk Women group or Institute of Women. Something like that.

And men will still want to be in on it because it all goes towards pandering to their fantasy world.

RPMcMurphy · 18/04/2023 18:41

I have found my tribe #Beer&Knitting

The WI need to get a grip. I see Conservatives for Women have taken Lord Hague to task over his remarks and offered to meet with him. They have also taken on Nokes but she is a lost cause I’m afraid.
(See Twitter)

MagicSpring · 18/04/2023 18:31

I like beer and knitting, though too much of one has dire effects on the other.

JellySaurus · 18/04/2023 18:25

PollyPeptide · 18/04/2023 15:56

Meanwhile I go to "boys night out" as I like beer not knitting.

I go to girls nights out. I don't know anyone who knits.

And I like beer and knitting. I've even been known to knit at the pub. All that says about me is that I have a personality and interests. It doesn't say anything about my sex or my sense of identity. Or whether I should be eligible to join the WI. (I should be, given that I'm female. I won't, given that they turned to misogyny.)

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/04/2023 18:22

gogohmm · 18/04/2023 15:49

I rent a space to the wi, several men attend with their wives or mothers (in the latter case their mothers need a carer) we have male members of the mothers Union too - nobody cares at all. Meanwhile I go to "boys night out" as I like beer not knitting Grin

May I ask how you know that no one cares? Have you given members an opportunity to express their views anonymously? And have you surveyed former/potential members?

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 18/04/2023 18:20

PollyPeptide · 18/04/2023 15:56

Meanwhile I go to "boys night out" as I like beer not knitting.

I go to girls nights out. I don't know anyone who knits.

I like beer….one of my friends knits but she doesn’t do it on nights out, that would be weird

though I suppose no weirder than thinking you can only have a beer on a lads night out

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/04/2023 18:20

FigRollsAlly · 18/04/2023 15:42

Several replies also pointed out the incongruity of someone with her views chairing the Women and Equalities committee. She really is a complete liability.

She's a leftover from the Maria Miller/Theresa May 'Be Kind' school of Conservatism - now thankfully on the wane, as the Tories have realised self-ID is an issue they can use against Labour.

We need to keep vigilant, though. With a few honourable exceptions, the Tories have no true commitment to women's rights, and would happily turn against GC women, if they thought it was to their advantage to do so. Sunak was making Starmer-esque fence-sitting noises only a year ago. He did not become a convert to biological reality until it helped him to beat Penny Mordaunt in the first Tory leadership race last summer.

PollyPeptide · 18/04/2023 18:18

Chersfrozenface · 18/04/2023 17:54

The WI has a problem with falling membership numbers and closing branches, with the number of new branches not making up for the losses.

As I recall, the HQ, when asked about members who didn't want transwomen in their branch, said those members could leave.

So that's going to help. Not.

I never hear of the WI other than in my village so I thought I'd look it up. Apparently, within 6 miles of my house there are 7 branches. I'm amazed. I wonder what they all do.

Skyellaskerry · 18/04/2023 18:10

Just heard her on the radio oh my God.

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