Single sex schools will be able to refuse trans pupils - Daily Telegraph

What a heartrending picture you paint, Mishy.

And a reminder to all those people repeatedly seeing children as mini adults and ignoring the massive harm all this is doing to children's psychological development and in some cases their physical wellbeing:

"The groups of children most likely to be on this pathway are adolescent girls, autistic children, gay and lesbian adolescents, children in the care system and those with mental health problems. Unquestioning affirmation of these most vulnerable groups is negligence"

Here's a marvellous response to the leaked proposals from Transgender Trend making clear the demands from political activists versus the needs, rights and safety of ALL children::
https://www.transgendertrend.com/gender-affirmative-model-social-transition-schools/

How would a MTF child be disadvantaged by not being allowed to go to one particular school? Surely the school could argue making the school mixed sex would disadvantage the girls already there, especially if they were Muslim or Jewish?

In the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure that this is actually a win.

At the moment, a girls school can refuse to admit a MTF trans child, if they want to. Alternatively, they can also choose to admit that child (the Equality Act specifically provides for this). The action that the school could possible face if refusing to admit the MTF trans child is one of indirect discrimination (ie, their policy of not admitting a MTF trans child, even though they could, puts trans children at a particular disadvantage, and can't be reasonably justified).

The Good Law Project got some legal advice on school admissions a while back, and this was highlighted as a potential claim that the MTC trans child could bring.

BUT

The principle of a school choosing not to take advantage of its legal ability to admit that child, is exactly the same as a service provider choosing not to take advantage of its legal ability to provide single sex spaces. In either case there is an indirect discrimination case to be made.

And the potential for indirect discrimination claims there is a really important weapon for women fighting for single sex spaces. It's the basis of Sarah Summer's claim against the rape crisis centre that refused to provide a single sex space, even though they legally could. It's the only tool that women may currently have to force service providers to actually provide single sex spaces.

So anything that interferes with the potential for indirect discrimination claims for non-utiliziation of a legal power should be approached very cautiously.

@flyingbuttress43 existing thread here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4787403-single-sex-schools-can-reject-transgender-pupils

Good to see respect for other protected characteristics being enshrined in guidance and hopefully the muting of all the dodgy adults arguing that girls have no rights to privacy and must be coerced to undress in front of random males. No place for these anti safeguarding views in schools - shameful they've ever been given a voice.

I guess they will be forced to mixed co-ed schools, and take their chances in the toilets

i assume that even you are embarrassed at this try at an argument

theres only something like 6% of single sex schools in the uk…..where do you think the majority of trans children go to school

Agreed.

Think how vulnerable a lone female would be in a boys' school with only boys' facilities. The risk assessment would be a nightmare.

Also, AS IF a lone boy in a girls secondary (or vice versa) by stealth without the parents' consent is gonna go smoothly. Only an utter fantasist could support this. And how cruel, to close off all potential avenues for the child to come to accept their own body.

Adults who have reassignment surgery often come from abusive, homophobic, sexist childhoods. This is never hidden in biographies. How about we make society less abusive, homophobic and sexist? How about when we meet a trans child we look at their environment and see what's actually going on before indoctrinating them into a belief system which teaches them to hate their one body and believe that reality is offensive and people who believe in reality want them dead?

Same place as all the vegan cats, I'm guessing?

In all seriousness, schools do need guidance on how to accommodate trans kids, without the risk of indoctrination of any other gay/ autistic/ traumatised/ vaguely non-conforming or just desperate-to-fit-in kid.

They've not got it right so far because the lobbyists have massively complicated matters with the false suicide statistics, language obfuscation and forced teaming with LGBT(ransexual) issues.

But any school which can successfully educate Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses and atheists under the same roof can also accommodate boys and boys whose families believe in gender ideology/ girls and girls whose families believe in gender ideology.

Well if trans kids went to single sex schools, those toilets would be mixed sex too so there's no difference there with the mixed sex toilets in the co-ed schools.

Co-eds like the majority of pupils in the UK?

Or are trans kids so special they must have single sex schools only?

How ridiculous
Nice try with the implication of a camp being a necessary alternative. Good effort.

Thank goodness! Finally some sense. Single sex schools should be exactly that - single sex.

This is great news!

I guess they will be forced to mixed co-ed schools, and take their chances in the toilets.

You mean like girls are having to do at the moment?

Coming from your side which is the most intolerant, authoritarian, abusive and violent this is irony indeed.

You don't want tolerance you will only accept total capitulation and punishment for not doing so.

If a school is single sex then it should remain so. Any potential student who does not meet the admissions criteria (in this case the criteria of Female/Male as per the relavent school) has to apply elsewhere.

I wish the government would just get on and issue the guidance.

We've had a couple of years now of hopeful sounding messages but no government guidance for schools or legislation.

People in schools and LAs are stuck waiting for a green light to challenge and clarify school practice.

Just bloody get on with it.

Thanks.

It means that a boy who identifies as a girl can't go to a girls school.

schools to reject applications from pupils who identify as the opposite gender. Sorry, find this confusing. Are they saying a biological boy who identifies as a girl can't go to a boys' school or a biological boy who identifies as a girl can't go to a girls' school? Or both?

Co-Ed schools aren't some sort of horrible punishment 😂 If my child thought that they were trans then I would prefer Co-Ed where it would be easier to ask for flexibility on issues like uniform.

Shame that this policy will be at the discretion of head teachers as some will push their personal ideology instead.

Nooooo! Precious not PREVIOUS. Ffs

Precious not precious

Yes @MishyJDI awful isn't it. All those previous trans 10 year olds having to go to mixed schools. Just like the majority of other (equally precious) 10 year olds!