What rights do transpeople believe they do not have?

@lechiffre55 ...and until 5 minutes ago, they had no interest in that toy. Only when another kid thought it was fun 🤔

Its like when a child is playing with a toy, and another child wants that toy. Offering another toy doesn't help, they want the toy the first child has, no other toy will do.

@sunshinesupermum
What rights do transpeople believe they do not have?

Women's rights.
I don't mean the same rights as women. I mean the rights belonging to women.
They want them.

So many good points made here. The one that hit me like a bolt of lightning recently is the whole 'they'/pronouns thing. For centuries women have been excluded from language about humans - man, him and he being the default language. Still now all drivers are assumed to be male unless obviously female, all animals are referred to as he unless it's clearly pointed out that it's female. Male is the default in every situation and this has only recently started to slowly change in some areas.

But hang on, suddenly a teeeeeeny proportion of the population find it offensive to use him or her and prefer they - to the point where they demand that everyone refer to everyone else this way - to the point where my son's school has told the pupils to use they all the time? Why couldn't we have done this centuries ago, to make language inclusive of, you know, half the population of the world? Boils my piss.

That list is the kind of thing which happens when a group seeking particular privileges gets no push-back, partly, because it is seen as untouchable, partly because it's very aggressive and enforces #nodebate, and partly because its activism has mostly taken place behind the curtain. So if you get everything you ask for, why not ask for much, much more?

Wow. That's quite something.

Well yes, there are quite a few demands on that list that are probably not being met.

I'm not sure whether it's the list itself or the 203 likes for it that surprised me for most.

When the six year old girl thing got mentioned I thought it was referring to Stefonknee

A six year old girl who wants to 'normalise the bulge'?

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My DD (teenager so much younger than yours OP) explained at great length over dinner one evening the whole TWAW thing including that people are whatever they feel they are, needing to believe people are what they say they are, acceptance without exception etc etc.

She’d obviously seen me rolling my eyes during her lecture as when she finished she looked at me and asked: “So what do you think, Dad?”

I replied: “Please don’t misgender me. I’m a woman so you should call me Mum.”

Things went downhill rapidly from there, but she is still speaking to me and the subject has not come up again.

A Transwoman saying they have periods is just so strange. ( In a group of women)
No ovaries or womb, but a penis and testicles.

They clearly didn’t take even rudimentary biology at school.

Yet women are supposed to accept this nonsense in a group setting??

My message has been deleted for some bizarre reason. 🙄🙄🙄

I'm sorry, op. You've had some good suggestions here - good luck!

That’s some delusional stuff- Hormones and butchering of bodies without any consultation?

When it all goes wrong, Will the NHS pick up the pieces??

A Transwoman with a penis and testicles said ( In a women’s group) that they “Identify as Lesbian”
Yet they were thrown out of one women’s group because they showed a vulnerable woman Adult material ( P0rn) on their phone.
Women feel uncomfortable around this person.

Being able to control the recording of their biological data. So being able to actually change their birth certificate biological sex, and death record biological sex, and any data such as crime recorded as their ‘preferred gender’ being recorded as their actual biological sex.

No other group has ever been able to change their data recorded in this way.

It affects everyone as data is collected for very specific reasons. For example data recorded for biological sex is used for example to record health data - who is getting cancer and what the trends are. If we do not know which biological sex is getting which cancer, and how, we are not able to treat it.

But apparently things like now knowing who commits most sexual crimes or who gets which cancer is less important than a trans persons feelings about what is recorded about their biological sex.

They have the following the rights that everyone has such as right to vote etc. I don't think they are denied any rights at all. They live in a free society.

My own view is that not using toilet of their choice is not a right it is a preference and we all denied preferences in some way or another.

Very well said!

OP I think it would be great for you and your daughters to listen to the podcast "The Witch Trials of JK Rowling".

Also you could print out or link them to her original essay from a few years ago and if they read it, pick out anything they disagree with and discuss from there.

I have 3 daughters, I want them to grow up without prejudice and to be welcoming to others but not at the expense of their own and other peoples rights, especially women, and especially given what thousands of women have sacrificed to give us women the freedoms and rights we have now.

I know that women like my grandmothers and their mothers before them sacrificed a lot to give each following generations a better life. Both my grandmothers were married to abusive men who battered them daily, they made sure to bring up their daughters to not accept that, but more importantly one grandmother in particular made sure her sons knew how to look after a home and treat women with respect, I’m proud to say my DF was very much a man who never treat any woman as less than what she was and saw taking care of the family home as much his jobs than my mothers.

My DH is the same, he would never dream of assuming a house hold chore was a woman’s job. I remember going through one of my DDs nursery workbooks and thinking hhmmm this is obviously bull, I wasn’t particularly happy with them but it was the icing in the cake as they had obviously made stories up. The book asked questions like who dose the ironing, washing, making tea, all answers mummy. Then there was a story about when my dd got sick and mummy cuddling her and mummy washing her hair. I knew it was utter crap, my DDs have never seen me iron, I think I ironed my eldest uniform the day before she started reception, she’s eleven now, I haven’t touched an iron since, but DH always use to iron his work shirts & kids uniforms pre covid. I’ve bathed my DDs maybe a handful of times in their lives and only when DHs away with work. It’s always been DHs job, it was something he could do when he got home from work when they were babies and we just kept it up. And same with being sick, Im Immune compromised and chronic health issues, if the DDs are sick they call for DH and he keeps them away from me so as not to make me sick. Sometimes I can’t stay away but I only ever give in and cuddle when I know I’m able to spend the next week in bed recovering from what ever they give me.

I feel like we were coming into a world where there was more of an acceptable balance between men and women. Obviously not to where we (women) would want it, but definitely better. I can’t help feeling the whole trans movement is damaging this.

What I don’t understand is what happened to the Me Too movement. It’s not that long since women were standing up for womens rights and the way women had been treated in the Hollywood industry for decades, it was all over the media, now it’s like they have all crawled into a box because of the rights of people like Dillon Mulvaney who is plain and simply making a mockery of woman are more important. I know this isn’t the DM thread but it’s all linked. As I said I’m happy for people to be who they want, just not at the expense of others.