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The Uncancelling of JK Rowling

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NutellaEllaElla · 16/04/2023 12:22

Gosh it is heartening to see even more evidence that the tide has turned. She's stuck to her guns and been too reasonable to be cancelled by the misogynists.

Times article here

The uncancelling of JK Rowling

Tide appears to be turning for the Harry Potter author ostracised for her trans views

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/15/jk-rowling-transgender-views-uncancelled/

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TraumatisedGooner · 09/05/2023 20:39

Oh that's excellent news.

In a few months we can start saying she's been cancelled all over again!

mynameisnotmichaelcaine · 09/05/2023 20:29

RoyalCorgi · 17/04/2023 10:39

I've seen this used a lot on Twitter as some kind of killer argument.

Obviously she doesn't bash trans people - I challenge you to find a single instance of JKR bashing trans people. It will take a long time, because ther isn't one.

But the stupidity of the argument is mind-boggling. The question that always arises with trans ideologues is: are they really that stupid? Or do they assume that other people are? How can anyone genuinely believe that a female author adopting a male pseudonym is the same as men demanding to be called Veronica and flashing their dick in the women's changing room?

Your last sentence made me laugh so much 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nanaof1 · 09/05/2023 14:21

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 10:51

Did you know that women, the old-fashioned kind, have longer duodenums than men?

There endeth today's first lesson in the biology of humans as a sexually dimorphic species. Thanking you.

Probably because they have to take so much s#it from men that they need a longer duodenum to hold it all. 😬😉

justasking111 · 04/05/2023 13:36

Seeing the cancellation of women in Iran it's firing up the boilers of certain factions in the Western world.

DevilinaCardigan · 04/05/2023 12:02

I’m probably preaching to the choir, but Caroline Criado-Perez book (and newsletter) Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men is brilliant on the sex differences and gender differences (thinking about gender roles not bio stuff) between men and women. Brilliant but infuriating.

AutumnCrow · 04/05/2023 09:42

Policy makers are supposed to start with human rights as the objective, and work back through biological differences and find ways to adapt and adjust policies to achieve those rights for all, not look at differences and similarities and use them as a means to deny rights to women.

Education and periods, for example. Right to: education. Means of achieving: sanitary protection and toilet availability for girls in schools. Wrong thing to do: making toilets unisex and removing additional rights to privacy & dignity.

But the UN has gone mad and yes, it's bloody depressing - and dangerous.

SquidwardBound · 04/05/2023 09:30

TerfLady · 03/05/2023 19:58

Yes and now it seems the script has been flipped. Now our simularities with men are being weaponized against us.

Tbh, I think it’s more that 21st century patriarchy has managed to weaponise both the differences and similarities between the sexes against female humans.

The patriarchal narrative has subverted earlier feminist de-emphasising of the biological and using it against women. The concept of gender has been entirely turned inside out in the process and positioned as the only thing that actually matters.

It’s incredibly depressing.

AutumnCrow · 04/05/2023 09:21

HereForTheFreeLunch · 04/05/2023 09:06

Exactly. Either we are soooo different and need to be kept in line or we are exactly the same so need to kept in line.
Heads I win, tails you lose.

Yes, and just dick around with language till it does the job you (the patriarchal you) want it to.

We are a sexually dimorphic species. Human rights should apply equally to all humans. Policies to achieve, maintain and protect human rights should take account of differences and similarities, and work from them towards equal rights, not twist them to deny female humans their rights.

Things like the right to freedom of assembly and association has gone down the toilet for human females, because human males have been given priority because they said some magical words that don't even make scientific sense. Which means that women's right to freedom of belief has also been deprioritised, again at the expense of the magical words of men and male-dominated institutions who are lying about science. In the western world. In countries like UK.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 04/05/2023 09:06

Exactly. Either we are soooo different and need to be kept in line or we are exactly the same so need to kept in line.
Heads I win, tails you lose.

TerfLady · 03/05/2023 19:58

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 19:01

I've always been quite wary of pointing out biological differences between males and females in the human sexually dimorphic species, because they've been used historically as a stick to beat women with.

So this finding could be used to argue that gastroenterologists would benefit, during their specialist training, from a more detailed knowledge of female-specific small intestinal morphology and function (and how important it is to relate that to female endocrinology across the lifecycle, as pp have noted above).

Unfortunately the socio-political structures in which we live allow for an argument to be put forward that this new study confirms women's natural reproductive function and therefore that means it's 'unnatural' for them to have careers. Well, you all know the arguments. Women, know your limits! and all that.

That's why women in Victorian times had to change their bloody names to get a book published and taken seriously.

Yes and now it seems the script has been flipped. Now our simularities with men are being weaponized against us.

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 19:01

I've always been quite wary of pointing out biological differences between males and females in the human sexually dimorphic species, because they've been used historically as a stick to beat women with.

So this finding could be used to argue that gastroenterologists would benefit, during their specialist training, from a more detailed knowledge of female-specific small intestinal morphology and function (and how important it is to relate that to female endocrinology across the lifecycle, as pp have noted above).

Unfortunately the socio-political structures in which we live allow for an argument to be put forward that this new study confirms women's natural reproductive function and therefore that means it's 'unnatural' for them to have careers. Well, you all know the arguments. Women, know your limits! and all that.

That's why women in Victorian times had to change their bloody names to get a book published and taken seriously.

TerfLady · 03/05/2023 16:27

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 13:22

In terms of our (lack of) understanding of the long-scale evolution of human gut size and morphology, it has been hypothesised that female humans are better able to buffer environmental challenges.

It could be argued that this links to their reproductive role.

Might also explain why women's gut function can go tits up in menopause ...

(Sciency bit: the study just published shows the logistic regression model for small intestine length with sex as a covariate showed a significant difference between males and females (F3,15 = 88.31, p = 9.291e−10). Specifically, the researchers found that females have consistently and significantly longer small intestines compared to males; t-value 15 = 2.245, p = 0.0403).

My mind immediately went to the way that our digestive system is crushed during pregnancy. I remember a weird thing where I had to lay on my left side in order for my food to properly process after eating. 😩

justasking111 · 03/05/2023 14:32

@AutumnCrow many things go tits up in menopause sigh...

BUT please carry on listing the biological differences

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 13:22

AdamRyan · 03/05/2023 13:00

I did not! That's fascinating. Are there theories as to why? Wonder if it's something to do with breastfeeding

In terms of our (lack of) understanding of the long-scale evolution of human gut size and morphology, it has been hypothesised that female humans are better able to buffer environmental challenges.

It could be argued that this links to their reproductive role.

Might also explain why women's gut function can go tits up in menopause ...

(Sciency bit: the study just published shows the logistic regression model for small intestine length with sex as a covariate showed a significant difference between males and females (F3,15 = 88.31, p = 9.291e−10). Specifically, the researchers found that females have consistently and significantly longer small intestines compared to males; t-value 15 = 2.245, p = 0.0403).

borntobequiet · 03/05/2023 13:06

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 13:44

Plenty of "biological" women don't have wombs or can't give birth to children.

Are they banned from the ladies loos as well as trans women?

No.

Then why the bigotry?

My darling DD had to have a hysterectomy for medical reasons, because she’s a woman. My dear niece cannot become pregnant for other reasons, but those reasons arise from her being female.

How dare you imply these two women are in the same category as transitioned males. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Oh and by the way, I can no longer conceive or give birth, because of my age, and I’m definitely not in the same category as a transwoman.

AdamRyan · 03/05/2023 13:00

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 10:51

Did you know that women, the old-fashioned kind, have longer duodenums than men?

There endeth today's first lesson in the biology of humans as a sexually dimorphic species. Thanking you.

I did not! That's fascinating. Are there theories as to why? Wonder if it's something to do with breastfeeding

justasking111 · 03/05/2023 12:53

Differences not balances damn autocorrect

justasking111 · 03/05/2023 12:37

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 10:51

Did you know that women, the old-fashioned kind, have longer duodenums than men?

There endeth today's first lesson in the biology of humans as a sexually dimorphic species. Thanking you.

No I didn't. I know our brains weigh less though. So many biological balances

AutumnCrow · 03/05/2023 10:51

Did you know that women, the old-fashioned kind, have longer duodenums than men?

There endeth today's first lesson in the biology of humans as a sexually dimorphic species. Thanking you.

DevilinaCardigan · 03/05/2023 04:35

Women who don’t have a uterus -either through birth defect or surgery- can’t produce sperm. Men who don’t have a uterus are healthy men. If they have their penis removed, they will still never produce eggs.
Biology is a terf. Fact.

literalviolence · 02/05/2023 23:01

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 22:51

Incredible twisting of my points but yeah have your fun

Not really. You've just not been clear. Can you explain yourself better?

TerfLady · 02/05/2023 22:57

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 22:51

Incredible twisting of my points but yeah have your fun

What? I'm just using the traditional argument tactics that TRA'S use! I would know I used to be one. I'm literally an expert. Lol

It doesn't feel good to be on the other side of it does it?

hotdiggetydog · 02/05/2023 22:51

Incredible twisting of my points but yeah have your fun

Boomboom22 · 02/05/2023 22:29

So now hotdogs a terf? If a tw has a cock so almost all of them then they are not actually a woman? Do you know anything about actual tw? Or did you think they've all had the sex change op you speak of?

TerfLady · 02/05/2023 22:28

Maybe men who've suffered from prostate cancer are transmen too! I think that means they deserve to have their gender confirming surgeries paid for by the government!

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