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The Uncancelling of JK Rowling

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NutellaEllaElla · 16/04/2023 12:22

Gosh it is heartening to see even more evidence that the tide has turned. She's stuck to her guns and been too reasonable to be cancelled by the misogynists.

Times article here

The uncancelling of JK Rowling

Tide appears to be turning for the Harry Potter author ostracised for her trans views

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/15/jk-rowling-transgender-views-uncancelled/

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heathspeedwell · 17/04/2023 09:48

@hotdiggetydog you seem to have missed the entire reason why a female writer might feel the need to use a male pen name.

Have you heard of a thing called gender stereotypes? Has it occurred to you that they can be particularly damaging to women?

loislovesstewie · 17/04/2023 09:44

No she doesn't. She took a pen name to write some. I don't know why she chose Robert Galbraith, but does it matter? So did the Brontes. And George Eliot was Mary Ann Evans. Lots of authors change name or just use initials. Get over it.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 17/04/2023 09:43

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 09:23

Bashes trans people but pretends to be a bloke when writing some of her books.

That's one of the funniest things I've ever read on here, and I re-read the screaming at the Sistine chapel thread the other day.

TheKeatingFive · 17/04/2023 09:26

Bashes trans people but pretends to be a bloke when writing some of her books.

🙄

oh please, are you 12?

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 09:23

Bashes trans people but pretends to be a bloke when writing some of her books.

Kotaku23 · 17/04/2023 09:19

Pleased to see its been published in NZ after our terrible media coverage recently!

i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300855208/new-harry-potter-tv-series-signals-the-uncancelling-of-jk-rowling

AdamRyan · 17/04/2023 09:17

Tidyspy · 17/04/2023 08:58

@AdamRyan not everyone has to agree on everything, women are allowed to be difficult. PP has been great for the GC movement and that’s enough - it’s impossible for everyone to share the same views all the time, that’s what “no debate” demanded and it shouldn’t be a requirement ever.

No I agree, was just pointing out that JKR and KJK have quite different views

soddingspiderseason · 17/04/2023 09:09

Really pleased to see this and to see balanced journalism. The tide is turning, common sense will return. And the attempts of some on this thread to cast JKR as "anti-trans" rather than as a Boudicca calming speaking out for women's rights, is just a bit pathetic really. Women won't wheesh and all that.

Tessisme · 17/04/2023 09:01

I am very very happy to read this. Thanks OP.

1Week · 17/04/2023 08:58

Its just such a massive obvious thing to understand - you can't change sex - it's unsurprising that people of every persuasion subscribe to it
It's not something that needs years of education to understand, its a fact about the world you acquire during early childhood. It boggles me that this is being denied, just imagine explaining to anybody since the beginning of time up to less than ten years ago, five even, that important high up people, doctors, politicians, are supposed to believe this

Tidyspy · 17/04/2023 08:58

@AdamRyan not everyone has to agree on everything, women are allowed to be difficult. PP has been great for the GC movement and that’s enough - it’s impossible for everyone to share the same views all the time, that’s what “no debate” demanded and it shouldn’t be a requirement ever.

MagicKittens · 17/04/2023 08:57

Are you on the right thread, TaylorMia? You seem to be mixing up JK Rowling with Posie Parker.

But 'gay men and trans women have been invited into the women's room by female friends' -- that's really inconsiderate of those 'friends' if so. They can't consent on behalf of the other women in there, to whom these men are strangers.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/04/2023 08:56

senua · 17/04/2023 08:46

“That’s a very online conversation."
What a brilliant put-down! I shall have to remember that one.

I enjoyed that too Grin

loislovesstewie · 17/04/2023 08:55

And I can disagree with lots of feminists about different issues, but we should be able to discuss without resorting to abuse. Because we are adults and that is what adults do.

TheKeatingFive · 17/04/2023 08:55

She's triggered by calling a trans woman a she/trans man a he etc. If you think the concept of being trans is a bad thing, then there's no point in insisting you don't have a problem with it.

Shes not 'triggered'. Please try not to use nonsense words when people simply don't agree with you.

GingereIIa · 17/04/2023 08:53

Dylan Mulvaney. King (not Queen) of Tampax and sports bras. Yuk! I'm not buying anything associated with him and ask others not too

AdamRyan · 17/04/2023 08:52

Posie Parker wrote one of the very few comments that made me wince and think "that's not OK" back in the day when she was a MN poster and not a campaigner.

I don't think suggesting her and JKR have similar views is true or helpful.

I do think Posie has been great for the GC movement but she definitely has "a side" and I think that's why so many feminists find her difficult.

1Week · 17/04/2023 08:52

TaylorMia · 17/04/2023 08:29

Many women have gone into the men's room to skip long queues at the women's room, and gay men and trans women have been invited int the women's room by female friends. The restroom thing is a farce.

If its a farce let trans people just drop the whole issue so, we can go back to single sex spaces

heathspeedwell · 17/04/2023 08:51

It's really heartening to finally see that mainstream media recognises that Rowling is the sensible voice of reason, while groups like Mermaids are 'controversial'.

Mermaid's statement was obviously batshit. I think the public is very much waking up to the fact that the ridiculous talk about suicide carries about as much weight as the talk of boycotts.

senua · 17/04/2023 08:46

“That’s a very online conversation."
What a brilliant put-down! I shall have to remember that one.

NutellaEllaElla · 17/04/2023 08:46

TaylorMia · 17/04/2023 08:27

She's triggered by calling a trans woman a she/trans man a he etc. If you think the concept of being trans is a bad thing, then there's no point in insisting you don't have a problem with it.

These the words of someone who has not actually read what she says in good faith.

She, asking with PP and most of the GC crowd simply don't believe that it is possible to change sex. Not that it's a bad thing. They/we also believe that sex segregation is important in sports, for lesbians etc. That's pretty much it.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/04/2023 08:45

She's triggered by calling a trans woman a she/trans man a he etc.

No, she just thinks it's nonsense. She's not "triggered". She doesn't have PTSD.

loislovesstewie · 17/04/2023 08:43

Actually I just believe that no one changes sex. The words she, woman, female, girl, apply to sex. I don't find it triggering, just ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

FrancescaContini · 17/04/2023 08:40

SidewaysOtter · 16/04/2023 14:10

Quite, so often Rowling, Posie and others like them are tagged as “anti trans activists” <glares at Guardian>

I think that’s how the BBC has referred to PP, too.

FrancescaContini · 17/04/2023 08:37

Maybe some people have actually taken the time to read what she wrote instead of blindly following the loudest crowd of sheep 🤔