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The Uncancelling of JK Rowling

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NutellaEllaElla · 16/04/2023 12:22

Gosh it is heartening to see even more evidence that the tide has turned. She's stuck to her guns and been too reasonable to be cancelled by the misogynists.

Times article here

The uncancelling of JK Rowling

Tide appears to be turning for the Harry Potter author ostracised for her trans views

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/15/jk-rowling-transgender-views-uncancelled/

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GrumpyPanda · 17/04/2023 11:09

MsInterpret · 16/04/2023 15:52

Top tip!!! Thank you.
Does this work for all pay walls?

They're all different. Sometimes it's enough to just stop the tab fully loading by hitting on the x in the upper right hand corner.
If you're on PC rather than phone, blocking Javascript often works - good for NYT and WaPo, not for Telegraph or WSJ. Easiest if you install a browser extension like NoScript.

chacandmeese · 17/04/2023 11:09

Just a tip for people that don't want to pay for access to news websites, try using 12ft.io to bypass the paywall

loislovesstewie · 17/04/2023 11:08

Actually I would not enter a public lavatory designated for males for several reasons. One, they invariably stink of urine. Two it's disrespectful to males to think they will want to urinate in front of a random woman. ( I'm clearly talking about lavatories where there are urinals). And three, if I want men to respect me and not use the female loos then I don't use theirs. It's not trendy or right on to do it. Just disrespectful.

turbonerd · 17/04/2023 11:05

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 10:01

To expand on your point, lots of women become men and men become women, and not just for writing purposes.

Get over it.

Oooh, hark at you Hotdiggity

😁😂😁 Get over it 🤣🤣🤣

No.

No one can change their sex. Absolutely not. Positively not.
No.

WifeOfTiresias · 17/04/2023 11:03

I really don't think they will have any problems with finding cast members due to boycotting- what a silly thing to say and good to see it was witheringly dismissed in that article!

It will be a fantastic project to get involved in and actors will be falling over themselves to be involved. If she follows her past policy when making the films JK will be looking to use British actors as much as possible who haven't in the main been quite as bonkers over the trans issue as in the US. They certainly haven't struggled to find cast members for the Cursed Child west end show.

OhVicIveFallen · 17/04/2023 11:02

TaylorMia · 17/04/2023 08:10

Why aren't trans women allowed in commercials? There are men appearing in makeup commercials now...

Of course men, however they identify are allowed in adverts, just have they always have been 🙄 what is infuriating is a man putting on woman face to advertise a product solely aimed at the female body. But you knew that.

SquidwardBound · 17/04/2023 11:00

Oh dear. Our Disney junior enthusiast is like a dog with a bone. Shame that they’ve mistaken a toilet brush for a bone though.

Literally no one thinks the ‘Rowling pretends to be a man’ argument is the gotcha they seem to believe it to be.

OhVicIveFallen · 17/04/2023 11:00

TaylorMia · 17/04/2023 08:29

Many women have gone into the men's room to skip long queues at the women's room, and gay men and trans women have been invited int the women's room by female friends. The restroom thing is a farce.

Oh you're American, of course you fucking are.

AdamRyan · 17/04/2023 10:55

willingtolearn · 17/04/2023 10:40

@AdamRyan

If someone presents as male sometimes, female other times, or even neutral, but does not self identify as non-binary, but as a woman, how would you describe them?

Sounds like most women - some days they wear trousers, some times skirts, sometimes make up , sometimes not - I don't know how people manage to figure out what they're 'presenting as'

But somehow.... people just figure it out and call them ......by their name?

I was asking hotdog as they appear to think some women can become men, but some are just pretending.

It's very confusing....

Kanaloa · 17/04/2023 10:50

TaylorMia · 17/04/2023 08:29

Many women have gone into the men's room to skip long queues at the women's room, and gay men and trans women have been invited int the women's room by female friends. The restroom thing is a farce.

In the nicest way possible, what are you talking about? Some random woman inviting men into the women’s toilets (unless it’s their own private bathroom at home) doesn’t mean it’s okay and every other woman must accept it.

Even Percy Weasley told the boys off for being in a girl’s toilet! And that was a dead girl’s toilet too, not even one being used by living girls.

Kanaloa · 17/04/2023 10:46

Was she ever really cancelled? People whines about it and insisted she wasn’t associated with Harry Potter (which is a bizarre statement) but as far as I could see Potter is still king. It’s moved on to the next generation, my kids are fans as I was at their age. Lots of merchandise, new films, the play and so on. I think rather than ‘uncancelling’ I’d have called it the failed cancelling.

TheKeatingFive · 17/04/2023 10:44

The question that always arises with trans ideologues is: are they really that stupid? Or do they assume that other people are?

its more that they have nothing else by way of argument and they're firing any old shit out there to see if it sticks

willingtolearn · 17/04/2023 10:40

@AdamRyan

If someone presents as male sometimes, female other times, or even neutral, but does not self identify as non-binary, but as a woman, how would you describe them?

Sounds like most women - some days they wear trousers, some times skirts, sometimes make up , sometimes not - I don't know how people manage to figure out what they're 'presenting as'

But somehow.... people just figure it out and call them ......by their name?

piratypotato · 17/04/2023 10:40

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 10:01

To expand on your point, lots of women become men and men become women, and not just for writing purposes.

Get over it.

Can you explain to us how exactly women become men and vice versa? If you are so adamant that it happens, you can tell us how, I am sure.

piratypotato · 17/04/2023 10:39

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 09:23

Bashes trans people but pretends to be a bloke when writing some of her books.

She never pretended to be a bloke though.

I've been looking at the comments sections on the many many articles regarding the new HP series online....they are so reassuring! Thousands upon thousands of people commenting how much they love JKR, how they agree with her, how she never said anything transphobic, and so on. The vast vast majority are supportive and clear in their understanding. Sprinkled handfuls of TRA's and their supporters plus a few nutter right wing jobs who think she is transphobic and support her, but seriously, so cheering.

RoyalCorgi · 17/04/2023 10:39

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 09:23

Bashes trans people but pretends to be a bloke when writing some of her books.

I've seen this used a lot on Twitter as some kind of killer argument.

Obviously she doesn't bash trans people - I challenge you to find a single instance of JKR bashing trans people. It will take a long time, because ther isn't one.

But the stupidity of the argument is mind-boggling. The question that always arises with trans ideologues is: are they really that stupid? Or do they assume that other people are? How can anyone genuinely believe that a female author adopting a male pseudonym is the same as men demanding to be called Veronica and flashing their dick in the women's changing room?

AdamRyan · 17/04/2023 10:36

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 10:01

To expand on your point, lots of women become men and men become women, and not just for writing purposes.

Get over it.

Interesting.
If someone presents as male sometimes, female other times, or even neutral, but does not self identify as non-binary, but as a woman, how would you describe them?

marseille · 17/04/2023 10:26

Oh dear . Hotdog is back.
Have a Bud light and a lie down dear.
Somebody using a different name is not the same as popping balloons down your top and declaring yourself a woman ( see random canadian woodworking teacher) Even trans people must have been embarrassed by that dude.

loislovesstewie · 17/04/2023 10:22

Nobody becomes a man unless they are born male. Nobody becomes a woman unless she is born female. No one changes sex. It's deluded to think anyone changes sex.

1Week · 17/04/2023 10:13

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 10:01

To expand on your point, lots of women become men and men become women, and not just for writing purposes.

Get over it.

She didn't actually 'become a man'.
Because that's impossible.

It is possible to sign a different name or wear different clothes and so on- lots of people do that.

DialSquare · 17/04/2023 10:07

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 09:23

Bashes trans people but pretends to be a bloke when writing some of her books.

When has she bashed Trans people?

TheKeatingFive · 17/04/2023 10:03

To expand on your point, lots of women become men and men become women, and not just for writing purposes.

No one literally becomes the opposite sex. Hth.

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 10:01

loislovesstewie · 17/04/2023 09:44

No she doesn't. She took a pen name to write some. I don't know why she chose Robert Galbraith, but does it matter? So did the Brontes. And George Eliot was Mary Ann Evans. Lots of authors change name or just use initials. Get over it.

To expand on your point, lots of women become men and men become women, and not just for writing purposes.

Get over it.

soddingspiderseason · 17/04/2023 09:59

hotdiggetydog · 17/04/2023 09:23

Bashes trans people but pretends to be a bloke when writing some of her books.

Oh for goodness sake, grow up.

heathspeedwell · 17/04/2023 09:55

@hotdiggetydog if you are shocked that someone gender critical has a problem with gender stereotypes then it really might help you to read up on what gender critical actually means.