Labour thinks they are the party to protect women

Bottom line.

The definition of woman matters legally. If you don't define it by sex then what are you defining it by?

If you define it by gender you mean any male who wants to be female can declare himself to be.

This by definition removes ALL single sex protections women have. All of them.

Sex must be defined in law as biological and protected. Otherwise you want a roll back of women's rights.

There isn't a middle ground on this.

You can protect gender in law, but only as a separate concept. And only if biological sex is defined in law.

This is what the government are looking to do. Define biological sex and the clarify existing protections for gender AS THE LAW CURRENTLY STANDS. All that means is they want to clarify biological sex in legal definitions not change the equality act.

Where Labour stand is they want to define women as being 99% penis free. So in legal terms they want to give clear clarification for penis rights over vaginas. This is a movement on the existing law and will remove single sex provisions.

So Tories women = biological sex and protection of single sex provision as detailed already in the Equality Act so the equality act is upheld as it should be with compromises on social issues but not single sex provision.

Labour women = females plus males who declare themselves to be females. A change in the Equality Act which would actively remove the ability to enforce single sex provision. That a roll towards males having increased rights and doesn't address concerns over safeguarding this creates.

How woman is defined absolutely matters in legal terms. Starmer knows this. He's a human rights lawyer. Trying to downplay it doesn't change the legal ramifications.

So every time there is a failure to answer the question 'what is a woman?' you are asking for a legal definition to clarify the equality act.

99% don't have a penis is a weasely way to say that women shouldnt have their single sex rights protections where it explicitly states legal exemptions as outlined in the equality act continue. It's a male rights grab.

OP why do you keep referring to Kier Starmer as 'Stammer'? Is it a typo?

Sturgeon also had her blind spot. De Santis with the six week abortion rule has his. From the outside they're such obviously stupid alienating policies re women's votes.

Floisme, the Conservatives may have got a leader who they did not want, but who appears more palatable to the voting public. This is then causing problems for Labour, as it is taking attention off Tory performance and refocusing attention on them and what they are offering.

Labour too now need policies that will attract voters. The very easy one, which does not cost money, is knowing what a woman is.

Perfect.

This!

Except personally I think I have reached the “What was I even thinking, we can never work this out, how was I so fooled, I thought we had so much in common but I was looking through rose tinted spectacles, I believed the talk even though I never really saw the walk being walked. I so wanted to believe it but there was never any substance in it all. Just empty words and a few breadcrumbs now and again to keep me hanging on and hoping”

I so hope I can vote for Kellie-Jay’s party at the next GE.

Nail. On. Fucking. HEAD.

And I fear I have The Ick.

Eh? What a stupid self own. All that shows is that Labour KNOW what a woman is, they admit as much by saying that Sunak has got GCSE biology right, they just don't think we are important enough to be legislated for independently of men who think they are women.

Nice.

Perfectly put!

I thought the Sentencing Council set the tariffs, not prime ministers. I used to be part of a prosecuting body and the only people who made decisions about lengths of sentences were the magistrates and judges. I often used to be dismayed by their decisions but I never thought John Major or Gordon Brown was responsible. I'm mystified where all this has come from.

It's so weird how I feel about Labour these days. It's like if you're having a trial separation after a long term relationship, and you're still hoping you can work things out together except that, now you've got a bit more distance, you're seeing things about them that you'd never noticed before and you keep catching yourself thinking, 'What a knob'.

When they actually sit down and listen to Rosie Duffield and take what she has to say onboard. But we may be waiting a while

Wes can feck off, I don’t trust him & the rest of the Labour worshippers of the Church of the holy high heels. Just remember how Wes had a secret Whatsapp group against GC women.

Yes it's really starting to piss me off too.

They can't even say what a woman is so goodness knows what they think they might be protecting.

Lifelong Labour voter here. Labour like 3 types of women.

1. Suck my dick for socialism - sexy young women who think LW men are nicer than RW ones.
2. Sad mummies who are 'just trying to feed their families and pay their energy bill' - useful for patronising and putting on the front of leaflets - and of course for voting.
3. Leaflet deliverers and seat warmers - political helpers who can have a bit of leadership but will never forget their true role of helping the men win power.

Seems like buying into this batshit mentalism scrambles your intelligence in all other areas. Do the maths-piss off the vanishingly small percentage of the electorate that constitutes Bloko Haram, or 51 % of the population? If you cannot work even that out you shouldn't be in charge of a sweet shop, let alone anything else.

Labour can fuck off.

We all know when they say they are the party for women, they mean "all women - but especially the ones with dicks".

So, no. Just no.

Ive been a Labour voter my whole life, I'd rather eat my own 💩 than vote Tory but, Labour are by far the most misogynistic of the 2 parties! 3 female PMs, all Tories. Labour have never even had a female leader, Harriet Harman being acting leader doesn't count.

As much as I hate to say it I think the only reason we're not as far gone as Tranada, the US, NZ, Scotland and Ireland is because we've got a Tory government. Can you imagine what we'd be like under a Labour government?

I hate the idea of another 5 years of the Tories, but a Labour government scares the shit out of me as a woman! What will happen to our rights?

Very slim - but I imagine it would cause ructions among a large section of the activist base and the young metropolitan voters. That's what I'm guessing anyway.

As much as that? Optimistic somewhat.

Ooh... Slim to none

Starmer could stop this dead overnight by simply saying "trans women are men". What are the chances of that?