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Anyone want to email BACP re article about parents of trans people?

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Bananaketchup · 15/04/2023 19:46

It's a completely reference-free article on supporting parents of trans+ people (I don't actually know what the + means, and the article doesn't tell me) in the April Therapy Today journal, which is sent to all BACP members. With unevidenced assertions that transitioners are happier and an ominous warning that 'without acceptance from their parents, trans+ people have no choice but to seek acceptance outside of their family'. It isn't explicit that it's talking about children/teens rather than adults, but all the anecdotes are clearly about parents of minors. Nothing at all about social contagion, watchful waiting, the barbarity of pharmaceutical or surgical transition. Just 'this is how to help clients get over their concerns and affirm gender change in their child'.

I'm a member of BACP and work for a completely captured NHS Trust. I've stuck my head above the parapet probably as much as I safety can recently. But if anyone feels like banging their head on a brick wall (BACP are captured), responses can be sent to [email protected]

Thanks to anyone who tries.

Anyone want to email BACP re article about parents of trans people?
Anyone want to email BACP re article about parents of trans people?
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JarByTheDoor · 16/04/2023 22:09

I cyberstalk the fuck out of any therapist before even getting in touch to enquire about availability. Published articles, book chapters, PhD theses, opinions expressed on social media, a history of complaints, anything that makes me doubtful and they're out. I don't give a fuck about their personal lives, obviously, but I've been burnt by a shit therapist with abhorrent views before (that she'd had professionally published!) and I'm not putting myself in that position if I can possibly help it. And I won't apologise for that to anyone, even if I have seen judgy articles written by therapists about how bad it is when patients access the information available to them Hmm

FrancescaContini · 16/04/2023 21:53

daisy1765 · 16/04/2023 19:41

BACP is utterly captured by intersectionality and preaches trans ideology and critical race theory as absolute truths which cannot be discussed and definitely never challenged or debated. Ironically, the most vital aspect of doing therapeutic work with minors is always safeguarding and this is allowed to go completely out of the window when it comes to issues of gender. And obviously there's a total lack of care for the majority who are impacted negatively: girls and women of the biological kind.

This is a really informative thread - thank you. It has made me realise that I would definitely need to google any potential future counsellor for myself or a loved one. A quick google of the names mentioned above makes me think that any counselling session with these individuals would be “all about them”.

JarByTheDoor · 16/04/2023 21:37

@daisy1765 — the new and improved version of intersectionality, that is. As originally conceived, intersectionality is a really useful and important concept, but since "intersectional" has become a buzzword signalling belonging to a particular ideological club, seemingly used mainly for telling women to defer to the new improved even more oppressed type of woman, it's become difficult to use it in its original sense.

@ScrollingLeaves I saw one who said in her listing that she also worked as an IDVA, and she didn't go along with any of this shit.

ScrollingLeaves · 16/04/2023 20:00

How can an accrediting body be allowed to
put the well being of children at risk in this way? Any child and their parents going to that man for counselling will be in mental danger.

If you want a counsellor how do you find one who does not believe these things?

daisy1765 · 16/04/2023 19:41

BACP is utterly captured by intersectionality and preaches trans ideology and critical race theory as absolute truths which cannot be discussed and definitely never challenged or debated. Ironically, the most vital aspect of doing therapeutic work with minors is always safeguarding and this is allowed to go completely out of the window when it comes to issues of gender. And obviously there's a total lack of care for the majority who are impacted negatively: girls and women of the biological kind.

JarByTheDoor · 16/04/2023 19:25

Yeah — it's also deeply patronising throughout.

Saying that parents "often" feel like they're stepping into a minority group for the first time, the poor poppets, is just a reformulation of the tactic of sneering at people for being white, middle-class, able-bodied, neurotypical, cis-het [insert privilege unpacking list here] etc. (after first having blithely assumed that they are all these things), and giving them an amused head-pat because they think they're finding out what it's like not to be on top of the privilege pyramid any more — though I doubt this therapist will allow them to continue thinking they've accrued any oppression points.

And then there's the bit of finger-wagging about which sources of (naughty! transphobic! bigoted!) media these poor misguided parents might be guilelessly allowing to manipulate them, and how even if parents imbibe only correct ideas, they're probably steaming hypocrites about the whole thing anyway.

And the whole chunk about how a parent's sense of self, their self-perception and well-being, depends on their ability to mindlessly affirm and cheerlead their child as they take very possibly unnecessary, likely irreversible, and potentially misguided steps towards radically changing how their body functions support, understand and accept their child. What does he do with the parent whose sense of self depends on feeling able to keep their child safe from harm, or on their feeling of having some bloody integrity?

Bananaketchup · 16/04/2023 17:02

JarByTheDoor · 16/04/2023 13:15

That's less "how can we best work with and support people in these situations to enable them to discover and make progress towards their personal valued outcomes, feel happier in themselves and in their lives, and at the same time support and respect their dignity and autonomy" and more "how can we make our clients do whatever trans people want them to do".

And WTF was that about older parents having grown up when being gay was illegal? True, there were some age of consent anomalies until surprisingly recently, but it feels like something written by a person young enough and ignorant enough to file everything before about 2015 under a homogenous "old-people times" label.

Yes! Where is the respect for the client, for their autonomy, or even their feelings and beliefs? I can't imagine a journal for therapists publishing a similar article about any other group in society with this horrible, coercive undertone of 'support' (meaning uncritically affirm) your child or they'll cut you off. The lordly assumption that the parents are wrong and will see the light is chilling.

I found the last paragraph really upsetting too - the idea that parents have to dismantle their attachment to who they think their child is, as if changing clothes or pronouns or even taking drugs or having surgery changes who you are as a person. My child isn't a different person with a different name, or different clothes. Medication or surgery doesn't change who we are as a person, and I find it really concerning that this article breezily assumes who you are is fundamentally different if you transition gender. That's a big part of how we got here, young people being sold the lie that transition would change who they were, and then finding they're still them afterwards.

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JarByTheDoor · 16/04/2023 13:37

*homogeneous

I think I spelt that wrong, like, one time in 2017, and ever since then my keyboard has been determined to continue spelling it like that.

JarByTheDoor · 16/04/2023 13:15

That's less "how can we best work with and support people in these situations to enable them to discover and make progress towards their personal valued outcomes, feel happier in themselves and in their lives, and at the same time support and respect their dignity and autonomy" and more "how can we make our clients do whatever trans people want them to do".

And WTF was that about older parents having grown up when being gay was illegal? True, there were some age of consent anomalies until surprisingly recently, but it feels like something written by a person young enough and ignorant enough to file everything before about 2015 under a homogenous "old-people times" label.

DameMaud · 16/04/2023 13:14

Haven't got time to read fully and respond right now, but I'm bookmarking and bumping as I think this is important info.
(Don't know how they square this with Hannah Barnes book or if they'll have a review of that in TT?!)

Bananaketchup · 15/04/2023 22:21

itsyourletters · 15/04/2023 21:59

Interestingly, I had a conversation with a very good friend who is a train driver and he said it's the same where he works. Which surprised me. But then I googled the trade magazine for one of the railway unions and it was spookily similar to Therapy Today!

Shock
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itsyourletters · 15/04/2023 21:59

Interestingly, I had a conversation with a very good friend who is a train driver and he said it's the same where he works. Which surprised me. But then I googled the trade magazine for one of the railway unions and it was spookily similar to Therapy Today!

itsyourletters · 15/04/2023 21:57

I feel exactly the same way. I'm accredited as well and as far as I'm concerned the entire membership process is one pyramid scheme to fund a body that represents none of us.

But we're hamstrung because BACP accreditation / UKCP membership are the 'gold standard' for work.

I remember when TT published a GC letter from Stephanie Davies-Arie about 5 years ago and then grovelled and said sorry.

It's ridiculous.

Bananaketchup · 15/04/2023 21:51

@itsyourletters yep that they/them contributor, plus Meg John Barker writing good practice guides Hmm Literally every edition of Therapy Today has at least one uncritically pro trans article. When Captured! was published I emailed asking for BACPs response. Then I asked again as they'd ignored me, and they replied saying they had no intention of responding to it. Great listening from the professional body for counsellors Angry If I wasn't required to be BACP accredited for my job, they wouldn't see me for dust.

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itsyourletters · 15/04/2023 21:12

Fellow utterly ashamed to be a member of the BACP here, too.

I used to read Therapy Today and now I put it straight in the bin. I noticed that Therapy Today seemed to go in a social justice direction when the new chair took over in 2020.

I know most of the board and senior managers have also left since then, but that appears to be due to SCOPeD - For the benefit of most of this board I will explain that SCOPeD is a highly unpopular project that membership boards like BACP have developed to focus on putting fully qualified counsellors/ psychotherapists into competence categories as opposed to addressing the much more significant issue of counsellor / psychotherapist not being a protected title and therefore anyone can call themselves that and practice as such.

The addition of Luanne Baines-Ball appears to have had a significant impact of the quality of output of Therapy Today as a journal.

Sorry you work for such a captured corner of the world, OP, I'm just glad I'm freelance.

NotRightNowNo · 15/04/2023 19:55

Goodness that's depressingly uninterested in the actual psychological wellbeing of people caught up in this ideology. Change your bodies kids! What could possibly go wrong?!

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