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Kirstie Allsopp 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Ndd135632 · 15/04/2023 05:15

Is going through her peaking journey in public late at night on Twitter. She will get there eventually but the mind twists she is having to go through are excruciating to watch.

Be kind y’all - but hmmm maybe not in women’s sports and safe spaces. Ooooook Kirstie. So we are kind sometimes but not all the time? That’s cleared that up then.

She is doing a ‘Keir Starmer’. The fence sitting is hurting her nether regions.

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FOJN · 20/04/2023 09:50

She's also trying the "both sides" nonsense. Funny how it's a supposedly GC account she using as an example of toxicity. You could be forgiven for thinking she hasn't been supplied with many examples of TRA rape and death threats but yeah women are the problem. FFS

twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/1648688576861798401?s=20

EmotionalSupportHyena · 20/04/2023 09:47

Kirstie is kinda where I was circa 2017 but with an extra layer of entitlement due to being cushioned from the realities of trans overreach by money and filled to the brim with that really specific confidence that comes with being part of the ‘posh celebrity totty’ set.

The late-life transitioners she’s known up til now are going to be the Caitlin-Jenner-in-the-golf-club types.

She’s not stupid so she knows something isn’t quite right but she’s clinging onto the idea that the terves are overreacting and if we were all just a little more cool-girl like Kirstie and a little less lesbian-sensible-shoes like Kathleen (and a little bit kinder than Posie) she can get all this mess sorted right out and still have time for a Lovely Gin Picnic from a Cath Kidston Basket.

Kirstie is very unlikely to share a homeless shelter with Katie Dotalowski and she’s too old to swim against Lia Thomas.
She’s never going to get banged up with Karen White for shoplifting her Waitrose steaks and she doesn’t have any friends or family who will either.

And no doubt she knows several media luvvies whose trans identifying teenagers give terribly clever, completely uninvited lectures about social justice to the Wine Sozzled guests at their parent’s Islington Dinner Parties.

I expect she’ll peak when she realises just how much her new TW friends secretly hate her.

FOJN · 20/04/2023 09:45

Kirstie is putting her cognitive dissonance on public display. She thinks there are issues with allowing any man into women's spaces but she's so desperate to hold onto "be kind".

So many hard of thinking people wade in imagining that what we're dealing with is a breakdown in communication and if we were all just more tolerant we could find a solution; the arrogance of it pisses me off. Kirstie is blocking or ignoring the people who are providing her with the evidence that this is not the case. I think she is likely to double down because when she does actually realise what's happening it will be too difficult to admit her stupidity.

Once you see the problems with self ID you can't unsee them and they are very obvious to anyone who thinks about it for a few minutes.

BigCroc · 20/04/2023 09:44

I always quite liked her programmes. I don’t think I can watch any more, knowing her contempt for women. It’s been a real eye opener, and not in a good way.

AutumnCrow · 20/04/2023 09:34

She thinks that women requesting single sex care are demonising male nurses.

This is such a piss poor argument. When I had a hysterectomy, my gynae surgeon was male, and the nurse assigned to my room afterwards was male. Would I rather they'd been female? Yes, probably.

But there were two clear mitigating factors.

  1. Traceability. I knew who these men were, who they answered to, what their function and responsibilities were in the organisation, and what was expected of their conduct.
  2. They were males who knew that they were males and behaved in an appropriate way, in accordance with the rules around males in the medical service. They were not males asking me to believe that they were female. They were not asking me to be a human prop in a creepy lie.
Huge difference.
ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 20/04/2023 09:31

I think she would no true scotsman the likes of isla bryson.

Which unwittingly highlights that we are expected to believe and prioritise a man's inner gender identity until they cross a line.

It also shows that she has no concept about safeguarding. Her attitude is that we should be happy to celebrate dylan Mulvaney in the woman and girls loos handing out tampaxes right up to the point the line has been crossed. And priorities the feelings of a care giver over the safety and comfort of children being cared for.

She's an adult and mother so i assume protected her children from danger, and didnt trust just anyone with her children. Yet she's happy to wave away concerns for other children.

I think shes worse than the likes of owen jones and Montgomery because they arent parents so have no experience. Shes willfully pretending safeguarding isnt important to appease mens rights.

lifeturnsonadime · 20/04/2023 09:30

lifeturnsonadime · 20/04/2023 09:16

She tweeted this in 2009 -

https://twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/4551629288

Yet now she's aligning with Katy Montgomery.

She will absolutely reverse ferret on all of it. She appears to be a 'pick me' girl.

Actually it could have been a retweet. Not clear.

Either way she is blocking feminists who are providing the 'evidence' she says she is requesting.

She has refused Baroness Nicholson's offer of coffee.

She is listening to Owen Jones, Willoughby and Katy Montgomorie.

It is clear which side she is coming down firmly on, perhaps she has a book/ new TV series coming out?

lifeturnsonadime · 20/04/2023 09:16

Ndd135632 · 20/04/2023 09:08

She tweeted in Jan about the absurdity of a male rapist in a female prison. Surely she can’t do an about turn on that too. She doesn’t realise that if you don’t believe in one thing eg a male rapist in a female prison - then you can’t believe in any of it. The whole thing unravels. She wants to draw some kind of nebulous line. She doesn’t get it yet that this is not possible. She lacks that intellect I think. Either that or she simply hasn’t don’t the thinking.

She tweeted this in 2009 -

https://twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/4551629288

Yet now she's aligning with Katy Montgomery.

She will absolutely reverse ferret on all of it. She appears to be a 'pick me' girl.

https://twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/4551629288

Ndd135632 · 20/04/2023 09:08

lifeturnsonadime · 20/04/2023 09:02

She actually does believe in safe spaces for women and women only sport.

I can see her doing a reverse ferret on that though, she's got TRA ear worms and it is not consistent with not thinking disabled girls should have the right to single sex intimate care.

She tweeted in Jan about the absurdity of a male rapist in a female prison. Surely she can’t do an about turn on that too. She doesn’t realise that if you don’t believe in one thing eg a male rapist in a female prison - then you can’t believe in any of it. The whole thing unravels. She wants to draw some kind of nebulous line. She doesn’t get it yet that this is not possible. She lacks that intellect I think. Either that or she simply hasn’t don’t the thinking.

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lifeturnsonadime · 20/04/2023 09:02

She actually does believe in safe spaces for women and women only sport.

I can see her doing a reverse ferret on that though, she's got TRA ear worms and it is not consistent with not thinking disabled girls should have the right to single sex intimate care.

Ndd135632 · 20/04/2023 09:01

Signalbox · 20/04/2023 08:34

She’s really thrown herself into the ring hasn’t she? I wonder what prompted that? It’s only a matter of time before they turn on her though because she doesn’t like the word “cis” and thinks there is still a debate to be had about men competing in female sporting categories.

I think she accidentally tumbled in.

She actually does believe in safe spaces for women and women only sport. But she didn’t understand why women were feeling mocked by Dylan M. And because Dylan has been in the press a lot recently she thought she would make a simply comment about the fact she doesn’t feel mocked by him.

And whoosh. She was in. But she hasn’t studied it all at all and so she has been scooped up by the likes of LOJ and Katy M and India W - all men who are loving their new female ally. It’s painful to watch for all of us who know the score.

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nettie434 · 20/04/2023 08:59

I knew something had happened when I saw Billy Bragg had retweeted some of Kirstie Allsopp's tweets 😀 To be fair to Kirstie, it's only when you actually read some of the threatening tweets to even the most mild mannered defenders of single sex spaces that you realise that 'be kind' rarely works both ways.

lifeturnsonadime · 20/04/2023 08:57

She thinks that women requesting single sex care are demonising male nurses. She has accused the father of a disabled child of 'using his daughter' .

https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1648803250269827075

It is in response to Katy Montgomerie which is why I've posted that tweet.

Beyond the pale now. Abhorrent.

https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1648803250269827075

Signalbox · 20/04/2023 08:34

She’s really thrown herself into the ring hasn’t she? I wonder what prompted that? It’s only a matter of time before they turn on her though because she doesn’t like the word “cis” and thinks there is still a debate to be had about men competing in female sporting categories.

Ndd135632 · 20/04/2023 08:33

She is also accusing a member of the House of Lords of ‘stunt behaviour. It’s painful to watch.

It’s like she has jauntily skipped unknowingly into this row and was like woah woah what’s going on here then. She literally has NO IDEA!

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Ndd135632 · 20/04/2023 08:31

She doesn’t understand why women are so angry about all this. She is likening ‘top surgery’ to having mastectomy because of potential breast cancer. She is saying that terfs are abusive. I fear she was nearly over the line but has been cornered by women’s fury and can no longer back out.

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Ndd135632 · 20/04/2023 08:28

Is anyone else still watching this car crash happening on Twitter?

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Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 15:27

I couldn't always make good arguments and don't have a sky high IQ, it is not low either.

Even low IQ people know what a man and woman are they also understand danger.

Although you get some people with learning disabilities who are nasty and aggressive when it's pointed out that they are wrong, most have a low self esteem and go over something serveral times to work out if it is right because they know that they aren't great in that area, where as they may be great at sales or art.

I think it's a gigantic ego issue with Kirstie.

WinterTrees · 17/04/2023 15:27

From watching her on-screen interaction with Phil Spencer she strikes me as someone who relates strongly to gendered cliches, even if it is from a sort of fluffy 'girl power' perspective. She's very much a proponent of women's intuition and feminine wiles and women being the real decision-makers in a relationship. Which of course they often are, but equally may not be so much, depending on the personalities involved.

She seems to invoke a sort of soft-edged, pink alternative to that unattractive shrill feminism. I have older women in my family from the same privileged background and school of thinking, one of whom is fond of the phrase 'you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar'. To her, and I suspect KA, 'the battle of the sexes' is a sort of mating dance rather than a life and death fight for essential rights.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 17/04/2023 15:05

Tillyteacup · 15/04/2023 10:24

I was disappointed how ignorant and unintelligent she seems. She has the stance of a teenager who doesn’t quite know how to argue her point properly as she still isn’t sure of herself. For some reason I assumed she would be more articulate and clever.

Upper class girls' education was often not taken that seriously when Kirstie was at school (not meaning to be ageist - I'm older than her). She moved around loads of schools, as well as not going to university, and it shows. I'm not saying you have to have a formal education to be intelligent, of course, but a good formal education does tend to teach you to structure an argument. You can see from Twitter than she can't do that - she's flailing around and she can't see more than one answer ahead, so she is wildly inconsistent.

MandyMotherOfBrian · 17/04/2023 14:52

Indeed Signalbox. And she might just start having a little think about her trite argument that we can’t tell who is good and who is bad so we just have to be kind and think of the good in people - just like she does every time she gives the delivery man the security code to her gates and trusts he doesn’t come back later to do her harm. She hasn’t yet answered the obvious question to that - but why have gates and security codes at all then Kirsty, just leave your doors wide open and trust everybody is good and kind……
Whats that Kirsty? Because it’s good to have some basic safety measures in place? 🙄

Signalbox · 17/04/2023 13:42

Strikes me that KA is an out and out TERF she just doesn't know that she is. How is she getting away with saying stuff like this without experiencing the same treatment as all the other bad women. Trans activist Twitter won't stand by her for long if she keeps coming out with stuff like this...

"I hate bullying & bigotry. I think women’s sport & vulnerable women’s spaces shld be protected. Using preferred pronouns is simply good manners. I’m a woman, not a cis woman. I’m not threatened by men who’d rather be women, good decision, I love being a woman, except at Christmas"

twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/1646876648925548547?s=20

Tillyteacup · 17/04/2023 11:59

I’m sorry but I do judge anyone who has done all the research (sports, prisons, womens safe spaces, transing kids AGP) and comes to the conclusion that twaw and should always be treated as such. There is no way I can understand the logic of these people.

Roadtrips · 16/04/2023 18:32

Some people just have good memory recall for arguments, they copy others and never think it through.