Jordan Peterson interviews Miriam Grossman about the transing of children

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Not embarrassing to agree with him, but that I previously had just judged him from secondhand ingo to be an idiot rubble rouser.

Now if he could kick AT off tiktok it would be most welcome!

I was positively surprised when I decided to look into JP a few years ago. That is embarassing for me, but I was very pleased to learn I agree with much of what he says.

My view has always been that we don’t need women to copy men to achieve equality, snd I would very much like to elevate the status of care work, food production and motherhood (& fatherhood as an important aspect of mens life too).

Because I am a tiny woman (4,8) I am very aware of my physiological disasvantages, and also that my Brain works just as well as any 6,2 male (my DH, as it happens).
I can throw a ball magnificently, park massive vans in tiny places and am excellent at reading Maps. The best at mowing the lawn, but unsurprisingly not very excellent at chopping wood because I am simply too week. I suck at any domestic chores but my DH is the pinnacle of tidy cleanliness.

What I have gathered from JP is that he is of the opinion that our dimorphic biology has afforded us different roles in society - many that we absolutely must challenge and some that just follow our biology . For example pregnancy, childbirth, and breastfeeding (for those who are able).

Looking forward to seeing the videos now, and hopefully have something to say about them afterwards.

I like listening to JP. Thought provoking and eloquent. I agree that he has integrity. In some clips he is almost tearful with his depth of feeling.

I'm a woman (obvs) and Jordan Peterson is one of very few people who cut through the crap and talks actual sense. I think he's excellent, highly intelligent and very thorough in his viewpoints.

He's really not. Try listening to him properly.

Coyoacan · Today 05:24
I didn't like Peterson but he is great in this video which is mainly about Miriam Grossman's views on the transitioning of children.

I'm getting a bit sick of all this manipulation of purity spirals

I agree. It has happened in another thread where a brave mother is speaking out about her daughter’s ROGD and how they finally escaped the indoctrination - apparently the platform is wrong. Meanwhile a possibly US transman has dominated the whole thread with their ideas about the need to affirm the gender identities of children while co-opting and pairing US abortion issues.

This purity works is working as a shut down. The people who issue the purity decrees are like teenagers who are angry with their parents and will only do the opposite of what their parents say regardless of their own best interests.

Thank you for posting this interview with this knowledgeable woman, OP.

I agree that JP is thought provoking. I like his depth of thought, and his viewpoints have expanded mine. Its good to listen to well considered arguments even if you don't have much in common with the person or agree with everythingthey say. He is well read and I believe he has integrity.This is a really fascinating interview.

This with bells on 😊

I really like Jordan Peterson and I agree with hell of a lot of the things he says.

I think that, if you see a post about an interview with a woman and your first thought is not about what she might have to say but about the man interviewing her, then maybe you should stop and have a think about the meaning of 'misogynistic'.

I agree with you - I find him interesting and thought provoking.

I do know his opinions on women, because I listen to his podcasts and whenever he is interviewed by other people. Like many complex ideas, they do require a bit of context and he is, I am afraid, quite right on a lot of things. These may be truths that are hard to acknowledge, but frankly, most modern feminism only values equality in terms of what men value, ignoring the joy and fulfilment motherhood brings and how children should shape your life, not just fit in around fulfilling careers and accomplishments.

I also know what his opinions on women are reported to be by people who would like us to stop listening to him. There is quite a gap.

I'm not a fan of Peterson, but that doesn't mean I have to disagree with every single thing he says. Why do people do this on threads? It's not any kind of gotcha, you know.

I dont agree with everything he says but I don't think you've actually listened to his full views and arguments. You've probably just seen edited click bait moments and taken them out of context.

His lectures are really interesting and he makes a lot of sense.

Jordan Peterson is not a 'rampant misogynist' he's not even a misogynist.

Jumping on a thread with a reactive slur which you think in one word summarises and dismisses someone's views is just a tiresome :You Are a Bad Person', TRA type tactic, and we all know that now.

I listen to a lot of JP content, he's opened up my thinking in many ways.

What I've found interesting on his involvement in the Trans issue is that initially he wasn't interested in the Transing kids aspect. He came to prominence because he was focused on the compelled speech issue and his refusal to comply. He's very interested in authoritarian states and how these gain control.

It's only in the past couple of years he's become focused on the actual psychological impact on the kids. I'm glad he is because as a psychologist he should have something to say on identity development.

His discussion with Helen Joyce was brilliant. They both brought something different to it. I thought their reflections on the sanctity of a child, making this movement such a horror, were very moving.

His hypothesis that suppression of opportunity for free play in modern childhood has led to young adults acting out identity role play as a consequence of stunting natural development really interesting.

We're fucking up the kids, let them play, basically.

He is really good on developmental psychology.

I'm past the point of worrying I'm going to catch couties from listening to conservative thinkers.

I'm capable of listening to people and accepting that I'll agree with them on some things and not on others.

His episode on unplanned childlessness and population collapse was particularly fascinating.

I like Jordan Peterson, he makes a lot of sense. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with absolutely everything he says. It’s a shame people are so opinionated when the chances are they have only seen snippets of his views (likely not in context) or read articles about him rather than making an informed and educated opinion on him by actually watching/listening to what he says.
I would have a lot more respect if somebody said that they had listen to five or six of his different speeches/talks and didn’t agree with anything he said.
It reminds me of the Johnny Depp opinions when half of the most opinionated people hadn’t even watched the trial!

He did a fascinating podcast with Stephanie Davies-Arai. Well worth listening to.

The one with Chloe Cole is also very moving.

What this whole shitshow has got me doing is going back to how we used to do things in University, and getting information from a wide range of people, some of whom I don't agree with. Plenty of people I completely disagree with, which gives me an overview of opinions.

Thanks OP for posting this. I will watch it later

Jordan Peterson has done some great interviews. I would like to recommend the one with Helen Joyce if anyone hasn't seen it. Oh and the one with Yeonmi Park.

You seem to be using his ‘rampant misogyny’ as justification for mutilating children, letting violent and sexual offenders have access to women in prisons and destroying women’s sports.

it doesn’t matter anything about who says it. Most people know mutilating children is wrong, the others can get in the Bin.

This is not the 'gotcha' you think it is.

I recommend reading more, and from diverse viewpoints. It used to be considered educational to do so, in the world before the New Puritans.

I had to stop after the John Money section as it really is very distressing. Those poor boys.

Will be finishing the rest later today.

Why does everyone, well not everyone, have such an issue with him. I think he talks a lot of sense. Can you direct me to the online content where he shows his true colors.