Triggernometry sunday 16th april

@Roadtrips - I am no defender of David Lammy (see my user name) but he's 50 and not in his 70s.

I think that's a really excellent interview. Key questions were asked and answered, with an articulate interviewee from the inside of this highly dysfunctional 'conveyor belt' world being allowed to speak, and it was well structured with a good flow of inter-linking points.

100%

I'd also like to add another voice endorsing her point about homophobia at the very end.

I am in the U.S., close to her age, and although I am straight (so not affected directly) share her sense of astonishment at how badly our society seems to have regressed very, very recently in terms of acceptance for lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people.

On that note, I found it interesting that she did not use the word "lesbian" to describe herself or her partner at all...

There is footage on Twitter of about a dozen male teens punching a lone teen female in those Chicago riots.

America is lost, intersectionality is toxic.

The death of Mark Duggan in 2011 brought us BLM type events we saw during the pandemic and teens in America are quite wild.

I don't know if we are just more aware of there events or if SM/cultural change is making things worse.

The ticks, multiple personality disordered behaviour, the various identities/online communities and porn seems to be an issue.

I know teen girls in the USA aren't happy or feeling mentally well in stats.

I also saw this, I don't think porn is doing boys and men's brains any good.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FightHaven/status/1647961137592565760?cxt=HHwWgIDUnYz73d4tAAAA

This account has lots of public violence.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1647457314494971910?cxt=HHwWjIC80d3s-NwtAAAA

I think that's a really excellent interview. Key questions were asked and answered, with an articulate interviewee from the inside of this highly dysfunctional 'conveyor belt' world being allowed to speak, and it was well structured with a good flow of inter-linking points.

When she admits she was programmed into the ideology at the start, and is now 'deprogramming', at one point there's a brief flicker of shame and sadness on her face. Therefore I think she's particularly brave to speak out given her internal struggle and, I presume, battles with residual cognitive dissonance.

And she says so many sensible, insightful things about child development. That was refreshing to hear.

I'm glad Francis brought up child safeguarding, using his own professional knowledge as a teacher, and how this dangerous ideology breaches it; and I'm also pleased that they discuss the madness of 'child-driven policy'.

(The 'child centred' / 'whole child' malarkey crept into education and Ofted policies in the UK in the final years of Labour c. 2006-2010, and was ripe for financial exploitation via the new academies and free schools gravy train. We live now with the legacy of that.)

I've just finished listening.

I had a momentary feeling of complete shock when she mentioned Chloe Cole and I realised I've been reading, and sometimes contributing on threads here since before Chloe had her mastectomy. How many other children have been harmed in that time?

Sometimes I think we have to be patient in our persistence in fighting back against this toxic cult but the realisation about the number of children who may have been harmed whilst I've been writing letters, signing petitions etc brings home just how urgent this is.

Chasing youth with fillers has ruined many a beautiful face like Priscilla Presley.

Chasing youth - no puberty is another step I guess.

The US have always reified the young, well at least since the early days of Hollywood. No one should age, music is all about hook ups, etc. Sad to see elderly men chasing after the admiration of the under 25s 🙄

The thing is Lammy who called women a dinosaur is I believe in his 70s.

There are always quotes about older people saying how dreadful that the young are throughout history.

I think the young have been corrupted and social media requires some hemlock anti virus treatment.

Yes why do dx like ASD make someone easy to persuade? Is it the constant bullying that knocked their self esteem and feeling alone and that you would take anyone in your life? Constantly being feed that you arr wrong you are not like neurotypicals and they all know better? I know that affected me in life, now I know most neurotypicals are nudged fashion victims basically who are really good at memory recall and picking up duplicating skills.

So you have really bad masking and faximiles by some, taken to extremes that aren't socially acceptable, whilst the water is muddied by narcissistic types exploiting them. I wonder how many resources people with ASD have had stolen by progressives. I am sure it was a large portion of those with neurodivergent brains targeted by the Asian grooming gangs also, and they are the ones people bully at work, school and in social groups for being vulnerable, whilst others stand aside not wanting to be the target, the same peow the same behaviour from childhood in school, work to hospital ward and nursing homes.

I don't understand her at all. She knows that she is same sex attracted yet lives with someone who is telling her every day that they are a man and works with the people she does.

I actually feel really bad for her.

I feel bad for most people, those groomed and those who stand by watching the carnage and do nothing, they end up with I believe, compassion fatigue.

Another also 😆...I keep coming back to this idea that the medical establishment, parents and everyone older than 25 is running in fear from 'the kids'. From Daniel Radcliffe's listening to children to tell us what they are to Nike jumping to the tune of ticktockers. It's like all the grown ups are terrified that they don't know what the Zedders think. Is this a general cult of the young? It feels very anti the old, us bunch of boomer karen dinosaurs.

Thank you Warrior, I'll read the link later.

Just finished the video and she makes a strong case for the developmental normalness of teenagers searching and grappling with questions of gender. It makes me think, where are all the pediatricians and childhood development experts? I am also left a little baffled as she seems herself so set against medical intervention (as a gay person with a personal political tilt towards anarchy) yet worked in that terrible clinic. How did that come about? It doesn't cohere to me.

I was thinking about the ticks and multi personality disordered contagion along with trans when I read this article, it also reminded me of online Incels and boys abusing girls in school.

Internet content is ruining people's brains.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/4/9/under-netanyahu-violence-against-christians-is-being-normalised

Most attacks come from a small minority of teenage yeshiva students, they say.

“Their mind is obsessed with the ‘Messianic syndrome’. They want to take over the whole land,” said Greek Orthodox Patriarch Theophilos III of Jerusalem. “When you see young people, 15 or 16 years old, and they do all sorts of things and they’re not afraid, someone is behind it.”

I haven't watched the whole thing yet but so far I am also struck with similarities with the Tavi. The policed language, the shift towards more extreme positions over time, the massive increase in case loads among many other points. Considering the clinic is in the States I think this is significant.

What is new for me is the earlier age and readiness of clinicians to prescribe cross sex hormones. Which she clearly describes as sterilising and impeding sexism function in males in particular. Shocking. And that the clinic was/is activity recruiting from an activist community with cis people viewed increasingly with suspicion. It's spiraling further into its own extremism. It reminds me the US has a history of mad cults

I like that they addressed the litigation side. I would have liked to have heard more about why it would be impossible to bring a case against the clinics enabling this awful trend.

A great interview.

Sadly, I can't see it blowing the roof off the internet as it's very much what David Bell, Sue Evans, Marcus Evans and others from gender clinics who have raised concerns are saying.
However, having another voice in the mix is definitely a help.

It's particularly helpful that she comes with an extra "credibility". How on earth people can tell her she is transphobic, when she's married to a trans man, beggars belief. Also it's great to hear her call herself gay. My assumption from that is that she and her spouse are comfortable that they are both biological women who are in a same-sex relationship.

Perhaps it's no coincidence that the same demographic that cut themselves or suffer mass fainting or anorexia, all mostly by social contagion, are the demographic that are mostly claiming rapid onset gender disphoria. Is it a coincidence that the same people that do this are politically active on the left?
The point this guest made was made 6 months ago by Janice Fiamengo on what is driving rapid onset gender disphoria in so many predominantly young women and girls who are leftwing white middleclass females. In the progressive uber left community where their value comes from a persons position in the victim Olympics, they have no value whatsoever as they are crippled by their guilty, white middleclass privilege. In their world they are only onestep above white middle class men. By jumping on the trans train they go from zero to hero in their eyes and the eyes of everybody on the left

Thank you for this.

Well worth watching.

I thought I'd heard it all, but her comments on some of the parents she encountered were shocking.

Interesting how she describes herself as going through a deprogramming process regarding this ideology.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58453250

With caselaw on their side other NHS staff could have done the same.

Shania Applebury from the Tavistock went to court, that option was open to others too.

It wasn't anything we didn't already know.

Good work nonetheless lads!

That was a really interesting listen - chilling as all these revelations are. I liked that her answer to their "what aren't we talking about?" question was homophobia - so many children preferring to be trans with a subsequent lifetime of ill health and physical / mental problems rather than being gay.