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ResisterRex · 2023-04-14T07:41:11+00:00

On R4 earlier (c 08:06), there was a short piece on the fact that some people from the old service are reportedly in particular roles and / training new staff in the new service. Sajid Javid has "expressed concern" about this. One is reportedly a current senior clinician, favouring an affirmative approach according to the R4 report just earlier. They had a short clip of Dr Bell too. Ended saying its on Newsnight tonight on BBC2 at 10:30.

LizzieSiddal · 14/04/2023 13:20

This is what we feared would happen. When is this nonsense going to end.

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ResisterRex · 14/04/2023 13:10

Just seen on the BBC:

"One is a senior clinician at Gids who says they are "devoted" to an affirmative approach to young people presenting with gender difficulties, and that "social justice" underpins all their work.

Another person appointed, who is not employed by Gids or the trust that runs it, has openly questioned Dr Hilary Cass and NHS England's more cautious stance on social transition - the changing of a young person's name, pronouns, and way they dress. Dr Cass and NHS England argued that it is not a neutral act, and that it can have a psychological impact on children.

Meanwhile, some applicants invited for interview for roles at the new services were initially informed that Polly Carmichael, who has been in charge of Gids since 2009, would be on the interviewing panel - a decision the BBC understands was later reversed.
Dr Carmichael communicated to Gids staff not to seek external safeguarding advice, an employment tribunal concluded in 20211_. During her tenure, the leadership of Gids was also rated as inadequate by healthcare regulator the Care Quality Commission."

Health Secretaries old and new:

"Mr Javid, who was health secretary when the decision to close Gids was made following last year's report by Dr Cass, told Newsnight that staff who had been involved in failings at the clinic should not be involved in training people appointed to its replacement.
In a statement he said: "Individuals who oversaw significant failings at the Tavistock should clearly not be managing the set-up of the new system."

He said the approach at Gids was "overly affirmative" and "bordered on the ideological"."

"Current Health Secretary Steve Barclay told the BBC the government would ensure the new service was run in line with the recommendations of the independent Cass review, which "differ significantly" from the services provided by Gids.

He said: "Any suggestion that the recruitment or training of new service providers are not following these recommendations is very concerning and I will work closely with partners to resolve this.""

More here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65245498

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ResisterRex · 14/04/2023 13:06

I seem to recall the consultation beginning with terms like "gender dysphoria" quickly giving way to "gender identity". And way too much room for interpretation on social transitioning.

Sex Matters, Transgender Trend and the Gay Men's Network did a joint response which I just found again:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/response-to-the-nhs-spec/

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ExiledElsie · 14/04/2023 13:00

I've lost track of what happened following the consultation on the proposed interim services. The proposals were definitely concerning because they still had buy in to the idea that some children are trans and need puberty blockers/cross sex hormones.

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2023 12:56

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65245498

Article on it now on bbc news.

Following criticism of the old service, the BBC has now learned of concerns about two members of staff appointed to train new staff at the regional hubs.

One is a senior clinician at Gids who says they are "devoted" to an affirmative approach to young people presenting with gender difficulties, and that "social justice" underpins all their work.

Another person appointed, who is not employed by Gids or the trust that runs it, has openly questioned Dr Hilary Cass and NHS England's more cautious stance on social transition - the changing of a young person's name, pronouns, and way they dress. Dr Cass and NHS England argued that it is not a neutral act, and that it can have a psychological impact on children.

Meanwhile, some applicants invited for interview for roles at the new services were initially informed that Polly Carmichael, who has been in charge of Gids since 2009, would be on the interviewing panel - a decision the BBC understands was later reversed.

We need accountability, striking off and prosecutions. Nothing else will solve the issue.

'Reform' which is literally just moving the furniture about is not good enough.

Child gender clinic reform 'under threat', says Sajid Javid

A staff member from a failing clinic has a key role in England and Wales' new services, BBC Newsnight learns.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65245498

Signalbox · 14/04/2023 12:36

It's a specialist field and experts will be hard to come by.

Seems pretty clear that those running and working at GIDS are far from being specialists. They are not practicing evidence-based medicine, there is no data to inform the best approach. The clinicians were all practicing in different ways and muddling through based on what each of them thought was best for their patients. Some clinicians thought this was fast tracking patients onto a medicalised pathway and others thought it was to keep them away from that pathway for as long as possible. It was basically pot luck.

unwashedanddazed · 14/04/2023 12:22

I think it's unreasonable to expect that the new clinics can be fully staffed by experienced practitioners who haven't worked at GIDS. It's a specialist field and experts will be hard to come by. Not everyone at GIDS was a raging TRA! Many wanted to speak out but felt unable to.

I think the new services will be operating under close scrutiny and hopefully to the Cass recommendations. Be nice to see those soon, it's taking an age.

FigRollsAlly · 14/04/2023 11:51

This is exactly what some of us were afraid would happen. Good that Newsnight are on to it though and that Today are covering it too.

worrieddragon · 14/04/2023 11:02

It's very concerning to think that the same unquestioning affirmative approach could be simply transferred into regional services. Guess which GP is apparently working with the planned Welsh gender service?

Dr Adrian Harrop - MBChB, MRCGP - GP, w/ SI in Gender-Affirmative Healthcare - Cardiff and Vale University Health Board | LinkedIn

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borntobequiet · 14/04/2023 08:58

Hannah Barnes featuring in the clip.
So pleased this is getting air time.

BornInSin · 14/04/2023 08:52

So good this on the Today programme and not just being discussed here.

nauticant · 14/04/2023 08:45

It was disconcerting to listen to. Reassurance was given with a comment that apparently the new centres will abide by the finding of the Cass Review. I'd imagine there'd be considerable wriggle-room there.

Roadtrips · 14/04/2023 08:45

There needs to be a clear out in HR departments and the new HR needs to clear out other departments.