Newsnight 14 April - the new GIDS - BBC2 at 10:30pm

But, @Roadtrips, Barbara Ehrenreich is totally sold on transgenderism! She's written about babies knowing their true sex, which they demonstrate by pulling apart the poppers on their babygros to form a dress, or by pulling the 'barettes' (what are those - hair slides?) from their hair.

She was also invested in the Satanic Panic stuff years ago.

I'm not inclined to believe anything she says, which is worrying because I do think the Be Positive movement is shite, too

JFC just watched this. That bloody flag flying above GOSt was a massive red one.

Here is a review from Amazon.

In this highly original and hugely entertaining account, Barbara Ehrenreich confronts the cult of positive thinking in America. She examines the impact of positive thinking on religion, medicine, academia and the business community, and exposes the psychological effects of a world which tells us to 'put on a happy face'. From the pink ribbons and platitudes that surround breast cancer sufferers to the blind optimism that led to the recent economic disaster, Ehrenreich pokes holes in conventional wisdom and faux science, and ends with a rallying cry for clarity and courage.

'A fascinating, persuasive and, paradoxically, smile-inducing read'

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Doubting Thomas of friends and colleagues, never doubting Thomas of the God complex Dr. The narrative is that it is a miracle if a Dr gets it wrong, the Dr can't be wrong for they are all knowing like a God.

It reminds me of the book written by a cancer survivor who was told positive thinking would keep her alive. She went into detail about topic workplaces too, it's a good read.

www.amazon.co.uk/Smile-Die-Positive-Thinking-America/dp/1783787538/ref=asc_df_1783787538/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=500909826360&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17738974993342312001&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006898&hvtargid=pla-1055800673021&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

Then the conclusion is that they want to harm and induce illness or death then and yet politicians go with the narrative that the sun shines out of the arse of the NHS, why?

I think the new services will be operating under close scrutiny and hopefully to the Cass recommendations. Be nice to see those soon, it's taking an age.

I have never known the NHS learn it's lessons. The NHS always uses the lessons will be learned, as do all our public services. They then rely on the short memories before ending up in the shit again and then having to learn yet more lessons. They will do back flips and cartwheels to wriggle out of having to make any changes. The NHS are ideologically unsound

There were people here urging caution about the closure of GIDS and predicting that this would happen.

There were already strongly pro-transition people in place in key positions and they were always going to influence the 'new' NHS set-up.

Same people, same agenda, but distributed.

I don't think children presenting as trans are the same as gay and lesbian
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Nor do I. But I'm just thinking many casual news watchers may/will do. Most likely only if they are heterosexual. But that's a sizeable population.

I don't think children presenting as trans are the same as gay and lesbian.

Controversial I know, I do think autogynophiles are similar in a way, to bisexuality, they are attracted to themselves so same sex attracted and attracted to themselves as a woman same gender attracted, so I can understand why people think that belong in LGB as gender and sex have been conflated.

It was a great segment. Very well delivered.

After watching it, it struck me that anyone who hasn't fully lifted the lid on all the nuances of this whole topic (the vast majority of the population) probably still thinks that being trans is the same as being gay or lesbian. It certainly doesn't help that it's all covered under the same flag and "community". Therefore many may think that the parents interviewed by Hannah Barnes yesterday were probably bigoted if they didn't want their daughter to receive care. If that's the takeaway, it changes the whole interpretation of having seen it.

My husband and I watched it together and he thinks most people mentally switch off as getting close enough to understand it all is too much effort. I think he may have a point.

The segement on GIDS starts at about 20 minutes into the programme https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001l0hy/newsnight-nurses-vote-for-strikes-over-bank-holiday

What progress has there been with the 1000 families who are suing the Tavistock announced last summer? This must be reaching court soon.

At the risk of repeating myself becauseI often post about it, the whole GIDS debacle has just been history repeating.

50+ years ago Dr John Money (of the Reimer twins case) set himself up as The Expert in the field of so-called gender identity. His theory that "gender identity" can be changed in children of you get them young enough, and they will be able to live happily believing that they are the opposite sex was utter guff. But because no one else was qualified in the field, because he made it up everyone deferred to him and accepted his "evidence" that his methods were successful.

This is what I heard in Hannah Barnes' book: clinicians joining GIDS who were worried about the affirmation only model, but believed it must be based on sound evidence because why the fuck would the experienced clinicians be following that model otherwise?

Here's the book about the Reimer case for anyone who isn't familiar. It's tragic, but a really important story.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?kn=As%20Nature%20Made%20Him%3A%20The%20Boy%20Who%20Was%20Raised%20as%20a%20Girl&sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF--topnav--Results

I was horrified to see that bloody 'progress flag' fluttering in the breeze outside GOSH. I support the hospital in a very small way and I will no longer do so. I know I'll get a lot of 'oh, but the poor children will suffer!'. Well, they should have thought of that before they went political.

Fucking outrageous.

Yes Ramblingnamechanger- because nothing's more important in a world leading hospital for critically ill children than flying that flag outside - a worrying indication of the priorities of hopefully a minority of their staff (I've a lot of time for GOSH and it's depressing to see something so unsuitable)

That was a short but comprehensive update, from the interview with the parents of a stereotypical ROGD girl with numerous mental health challenges to the depressing news about the appointments of some of the problem GIDs senior staff to new posts setting up the service. Plus of course Gendered Intelligence weighting in again with their ideological views on children.

Was that a trans flag waving outside the new centre at Great Ormond Street Hospital. Not so neutral then.

On now

The fundamental myth that needs to be addressed is that there is a need for GIDS at all.

The original clinic was set up to provide psychotherapy to a very small number of children with childhood onset of symptoms. But even this very small number of children didn’t need a specialist service because it created the idea of exceptionalism; that these very rare types of children needed their own very special place to talk about such a very special type of problem that only very special types of therapists could deal with. The reality is that any good therapist could have supported these exceptionally rare types of children with a bit of common sense.

But then you add in the fact most children presenting or on a waiting list aren’t these very rare special types of children. Then add in the cascade of intervention that occurred. Then the acknowledgment that the service only exists and is only so overloaded because children believe they will get puberty blockers. Why have a service at all? The only reason is if the intention is to medically transition children.

Every single child who is being seen by GIDS or on a waiting list for GIDS should be told they are being sent back to their local CAMHS for mental health support. Good psychotherapists from GIDS who aren’t affirmative-driven can be redistributed across these services. Anyone who is determined to drive affirmation needs to find themselves a job doing something else.

The captured UK police unlike the Irish police who refused to partake in this nonsense, are part of the problem.

Barnes needs to be made a dame for her work on this.

When people start winning negliance cases and people start being prosecuted.