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'"Petty Troll" burns Nike sports bra'

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SpicyMoth · 14/04/2023 03:09

Do they lack the self awareness that they are literally doing the thing this woman accused them of doing, ie calling us names - Or do they just not care?

When you actually click on the article, the title then changes to "Woman burns Nike sports bra in pathetic protest over collab with trans TikToker Dylan Mulvaney".

So we're petty, we're trolls, and we're pathetic. Fab, thanks.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/04/13/dylan-mulvaney-nike-backlash/

Petty troll burns Nike sports bra over collab with trans TikToker Dylan Mulvaney

An anti-trans pundit has burned two of her Nike sports bras as a signal of her boycott following Dylan Mulvaney's ad campaign.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/04/13/dylan-mulvaney-nike-backlash

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Helleofabore · 14/04/2023 06:18

Aw no wims! Maybe it was that someone has interpreted her protest as ‘performative’ and that she could not possibly be really complaining about a male performing horrendous mocking moves as we as a collective population have been subjected to ….

Maybe this poster feels that this woman and so many of us are just performatively outraged…. And not fucking livid!

Whaeanui · 14/04/2023 06:10

I also don’t see how Colin Kaepernick’s valid protest can be compared to Nike’s ad 🤔 it’s not the best analogy is it. Both actions have created a protest so surely they’re the actions being compared to each other too.

Helleofabore · 14/04/2023 06:05

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 05:50

Oh. Another bad faith argument.

I’m saying that this person reminds me of screeching scumbags I have observed on previously occasions. The fact that she is a woman was neither noted by me nor of any relevance to my observation.

Criticising a woman doesn’t make me a misogynist just as criticising a man doesn’t make me a misandrist. But you already know that because you’re arguing in bad faith…

Your post here doesn’t make your first any clearer.

Either you equate this woman as a scum bag for complaining about the way Nike has paid a male to act in an appalling stereotyped way that has been used to mock girls and women since we could compete in sport, or you don’t think she is a scum bag for complaining.

And if she isn’t, why say she reminds you of scumbags in the first place?

Helleofabore · 14/04/2023 05:59

She is a woman complaining about the representation of a male advertising female sports wear in the way Mulvaney did.

Her being a woman is very relevant to the discussion. It is actually the point!

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 05:50

NotBadConsidering · 14/04/2023 05:26

Yes. You’re saying a woman objecting to Mulvaney reminds you of screeching scumbags. Ergo, you think she is also a screeching scumbag, otherwise why would she remind you of people you think are screeching scumbags?

Your misogyny is off the scale today.

Oh. Another bad faith argument.

I’m saying that this person reminds me of screeching scumbags I have observed on previously occasions. The fact that she is a woman was neither noted by me nor of any relevance to my observation.

Criticising a woman doesn’t make me a misogynist just as criticising a man doesn’t make me a misandrist. But you already know that because you’re arguing in bad faith…

Helleofabore · 14/04/2023 05:50

MichelleScarn · 14/04/2023 05:30

It's not clear at all. You are saying that the people who don't agree with Nike that Mulvaney is the best person in all of the world to be the rep for their sports bras are the same as the bigoted racists who complained about Kaepernick being rightly used as a role model following his stance?
She reminds me of all the scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.
And of course as she's a female of course she's got that 'screeching' going on hasnt she... 🙄 tsk tsk.. when will we learn we need to just like what we're told to and not addle our little pink brains....🫠

Indeed Michelle. Very easily cleared up.

A clear statement that it was not intended is all that was needed. The fact that all three posters since that post interpreted the post in that way would lead anyone to think… maybe my post had an unintended meaning and maybe rather than taking the opportunity to make out it was and ‘idiotic’ interpretation, I would reread and think, maybe, that others probably had a point.

Helleofabore · 14/04/2023 05:42

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 05:22

One of the tired old techniques of arguing in bad faith is to rewrite the other person’s words, quote them out of context, and construct intentionally idiotic interpretations which you’ll claim that I ‘meant’ even though the actual meaning was clear.

And yet, you have not clarified that no, you didn’t mean to make that comparison at all.

Did you intend that comparison? Or are you now going to tell us that women are not hateful in any way for complaining that this male influencer’s advertising deal with Nike for female sportswear aimed at the female target market was poorly conceived. Particularly given what Mulvaney did was the exact stereotype that female people of all ages have been mocked with by male people since women have been allowed to do sports. I remember boys acting this way towards me and my classmates when we were about 8!

No woman or girl would have thought that was ever appropriate! Ever. And yet we are told we are exactly the same as males who have declared they are women. This one declares they are a ‘girl!’.

If you did not intend the comparison, just state the intention of your post and say that you did not think it through and that you don’t mean that women complaining about this are in any way hateful.

MichelleScarn · 14/04/2023 05:30

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 05:22

One of the tired old techniques of arguing in bad faith is to rewrite the other person’s words, quote them out of context, and construct intentionally idiotic interpretations which you’ll claim that I ‘meant’ even though the actual meaning was clear.

It's not clear at all. You are saying that the people who don't agree with Nike that Mulvaney is the best person in all of the world to be the rep for their sports bras are the same as the bigoted racists who complained about Kaepernick being rightly used as a role model following his stance?
She reminds me of all the scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.
And of course as she's a female of course she's got that 'screeching' going on hasnt she... 🙄 tsk tsk.. when will we learn we need to just like what we're told to and not addle our little pink brains....🫠

NotBadConsidering · 14/04/2023 05:26

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 03:57

You can object to whomever you want to … you can even object to me should you choose to.

But it was plainly obvious that I was specifically referring to the “scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.”

The performative outrage that this ‘petty troll’ is posting onto her social media reminds me of them.

Yes. You’re saying a woman objecting to Mulvaney reminds you of screeching scumbags. Ergo, you think she is also a screeching scumbag, otherwise why would she remind you of people you think are screeching scumbags?

Your misogyny is off the scale today.

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 05:22

Helleofabore · 14/04/2023 05:03

I believe that is the unstated comparison we are supposed to make, yes.

One of the tired old techniques of arguing in bad faith is to rewrite the other person’s words, quote them out of context, and construct intentionally idiotic interpretations which you’ll claim that I ‘meant’ even though the actual meaning was clear.

Helleofabore · 14/04/2023 05:03

MichelleScarn · 14/04/2023 04:27

@landOFconfusion do you mean you think Dylan mulvaney's prancing message 'look at me, im the most womanly woman ever, worship me!' is on a par with Colin Kaepernick's historical moment of not standing for the national anthem?!

I believe that is the unstated comparison we are supposed to make, yes.

MichelleScarn · 14/04/2023 04:27

@landOFconfusion do you mean you think Dylan mulvaney's prancing message 'look at me, im the most womanly woman ever, worship me!' is on a par with Colin Kaepernick's historical moment of not standing for the national anthem?!

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 03:57

NotBadConsidering · 14/04/2023 03:37

Women are now screeching scumbags if they object Dylan Mulvaney?

Even for you, that’s a new low.

You can object to whomever you want to … you can even object to me should you choose to.

But it was plainly obvious that I was specifically referring to the “scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.”

The performative outrage that this ‘petty troll’ is posting onto her social media reminds me of them.

SpicyMoth · 14/04/2023 03:38

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 03:17

She reminds me of all the scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.

‘Petty troll’ is an apt description.

Don't get me wrong, I don't personally like her approach, it's very loud and aggressive and not my style - But I also don't disagree with the core of the message.
I prefer Sharon Davies take on it generally if you've seen/heard it.

In her video (the one pink news is talking about) she literally said "they call us names" in relation to when women speak out, and their article's response is to call her names.
Proving her point.
That's what I was trying to get across, evidently unsuccessfully 🤐

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NotBadConsidering · 14/04/2023 03:37

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 03:17

She reminds me of all the scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.

‘Petty troll’ is an apt description.

Women are now screeching scumbags if they object Dylan Mulvaney?

Even for you, that’s a new low.

SpicyMoth · 14/04/2023 03:29

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/04/2023 03:20

Calling someone a "petty troll" or any other name, doesn't mean calling everyone who shares a single opinion with that person, a "petty troll".

Does it not extend to that when the article specifically goes on to talk about the pushback movement this woman tried/is trying to start and the people joining in with it though?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 14/04/2023 03:20

Calling someone a "petty troll" or any other name, doesn't mean calling everyone who shares a single opinion with that person, a "petty troll".

landOFconfusion · 14/04/2023 03:17

She reminds me of all the scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.

‘Petty troll’ is an apt description.