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New Zealand "Gender Balanced" Cabinet

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CaveMum · 12/04/2023 10:04

Apparently the NZ Cabinet is now 50/50 men/women. Great news, if it is true, though the cynic in me wonders what the Cabinet looks like when actual biology is taken into account.

Anyone know more details?

New Zealand cabinet reaches gender equality for the first time - BBC News

New Zealand cabinet ministers sit around a circular desk in parliament

New Zealand cabinet reaches gender equality for the first time

The country also has one of the most diverse parliaments in the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-65247904

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MissPollysFitDolly · 13/04/2023 08:35

Whoiscomingtosaveyou · 13/04/2023 07:24

That graph could be misleading. Maybe the people in countries to the left are more willing to report domestic violence than those on the right

Exactly this. I mean, Mexico's in the middle!

mackerella · 13/04/2023 08:09

bellac11 · 13/04/2023 07:56

Absolutely!!!

Look at Italy and Estonia right down there at the bottom, hardly bastions of safety or progressiveness for women

Italy maybe, but that's not fair to Estonia, which is a fairly progressive, high-tech Nordic country in many ways. They have some of the longest paid maternity and shared parental leave in the world (a close friend lives there and said it's 18 months between both parents).

https://www.eesti.ee/en/family/benefits-and-allowances/shared-parental-benefit-and-parental-leave

Shared parental benefit and parental leave | Eesti.ee

Shared parental benefit and parental leave: applying for the benefit and leave, amount and calculation of parental benefit, and use of the benefit.

https://www.eesti.ee/en/family/benefits-and-allowances/shared-parental-benefit-and-parental-leave

Whaeanui · 13/04/2023 08:08

I’m not sure about that list. But every bit of data we have confirms NZ is top of the list for developed countries. I don’t think people are aware of just how bad the problem is there

Sussyknowsthemeaningoflife · 13/04/2023 08:02

I'm Irish and I'm also surprised to see Ireland so far down the list. I would agree it's likely lack of reporting and/ or convictions.

bellac11 · 13/04/2023 07:56

Whoiscomingtosaveyou · 13/04/2023 07:24

That graph could be misleading. Maybe the people in countries to the left are more willing to report domestic violence than those on the right

Absolutely!!!

Look at Italy and Estonia right down there at the bottom, hardly bastions of safety or progressiveness for women

Whaeanui · 13/04/2023 07:52

If they play rugby? Seriously?

Yes, everyone gets a free hit normally but All Blacks and even lesser rugby players, can get away without even a conviction. There’s two current all blacks, neither kiwis both imported, who have been let off without conviction because otherwise they’d be deported and couldn’t ever play. Sevu Reece beat his partner on the street, Shannon Frizell punched a woman in a club and threatened her the next day. They’re just the latest. In 2004 an All Black beat his 5 month pregnant wife, no conviction and permanent name suppression. I think he may have missed a game though 😐

EfingNora · 13/04/2023 07:48

Whaeanui · 13/04/2023 07:30

NZ has long held the sad title of having the highest rate of domestic violence in the developed world, for as long as I can remember. And no, not all violence is reported. So the figures will be higher. Many get off without a conviction, especially if they play rugby.

If they play rugby? Seriously? At least the UK occasionally finds a sportsperson guilty of rape.

MissyB1 · 13/04/2023 07:44

Whaeanui · 13/04/2023 07:30

NZ has long held the sad title of having the highest rate of domestic violence in the developed world, for as long as I can remember. And no, not all violence is reported. So the figures will be higher. Many get off without a conviction, especially if they play rugby.

When we lived there for a while I was stunned to see tv adverts, and billboards at the entrance to towns, explaining that domestic violence is not good!

Whaeanui · 13/04/2023 07:30

NZ has long held the sad title of having the highest rate of domestic violence in the developed world, for as long as I can remember. And no, not all violence is reported. So the figures will be higher. Many get off without a conviction, especially if they play rugby.

Whoiscomingtosaveyou · 13/04/2023 07:24

That graph could be misleading. Maybe the people in countries to the left are more willing to report domestic violence than those on the right

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 13/04/2023 07:18

And yet New Zealand has the worst domestic violence rate in the Western world and doesn’t allow any dissent from their TRA policies.
it does seem a contradiction to the image that they try to portray.

New Zealand "Gender Balanced" Cabinet
Crinkletinkle · 13/04/2023 04:45

Yes, the 50% in Cabinet are all biological women.

As has been said - Georgina Beyer has been the only trans politician in NZ (at least at national level, I'm not sure about local).

SueblueNZ · 13/04/2023 04:24

It is true. Why would it not be?
And yes, @shiningcuckoo, Georgina Beyer has been the only transgender politician to be elected to NZ parliament.

shiningcuckoo · 13/04/2023 03:59

As far as I know, the women in the NZ Cabinet are all biological women. The only trans politician in NZ of which I'm aware is the very famous Georgina Beyers, who recently died and was a trailblazer in many ways.

Whaeanui · 12/04/2023 10:13

I saw some nz media posts on this online and the replies were hilarious! Posies trip certainly brought this insanity to the attention of more kiwis. As for what it means for women when the country includes men in that group and the PM needs time to consider what the definition of women is, I’d say it means nothing and doesn’t change or improve anything for women and girls. Some of those women in parliament were at the protest against women speaking remember.